Reread my post please, it was directly about Nokia and their decision to choose WP, not about WP at all, yet you bring up these quotes that some WP fans say and quickly judge me? “from you guys”.
Haters are gonna hate, and its obvious buddy. If you really were tired of hearing WP fans blab about market domination (which I’ve never believed in), why bother reading the comments? You obviously typed it just for the sake of trying to disprove something, which you wished I was talking about, i.e. about WP and market dominance.
As i said before, having a soft spot for Nokia, my comments was to see if they made the right choice or not.

First it was, ‘Just wait for WP7 to revolutionalize the market with a fresh new UI’.
Then it was, ‘Just wait for NoDo update to bring more features like copy-paste’
Then it was, ‘Just wait for Mango update with new fresh phones to change the game’.
Then it was, ‘Just wait for Nokia in late-2011-early 2012 to push WP7 to dominate the market’

Now it is, Just wait for Nokia till end of 2012 or middle of 2012 and see if Nokia’s gamble will pay off’.

I have nothing against WP7 but I like to stick to reality. Even the poorly marketed LG Optimus HD LTE outsold the Lumia (800+710) in the same time period. Samsung Galaxy Note did the same without even the US launch.

I’m tired of hearing about this ‘wait & see’ game from you guys.

Even beleaguered RIM is doing better than Nokia/Microsoft in the smartphone market and people have little hope of them surviving long term. The only thing Nokia has going for them is Microsoft’s deep pockets but even Microsoft has been known to chop the legs out from under their partners when they know they have no hope of succeeding.

But I agree with what you said, their numbers tanked, hard, in a market that has been/still is expanding rapidly. Big, huge fail on Nokias part.

But I agree with what you said, their numbers tanked, hard, in a market that has been/still is expanding rapidly. Big, huge fail on Nokias part.

I said roughly 30 million for Q4 2010.

19.6 million was smartphones for Q4 2011, which I did not particulary refer to. The real intended comparison was between the ~4 million n8 devices sold in Q4 2010 (the quarter they launched in) vs. the ~ 1 million WP devices sold in Q4 2011 (plus a bit of Q1 2012, the quarter they launched in), also considering that the smartphone market in 2011 was 65% bigger than the one in 2010.

They sold something like 100 million for all of 2010 I seem to remember
(probably my number is about as accurate as 30 million compared to 28.6
million).

But also bear in mind that this 28.6 million was sold into a market that was growing massively in 2010 – 2011, so the drop of total volume down 19.6 million Q4 to Q4 is even worse than it initially appears. If they had managed to keep market share (which they would not have done) you would have expected the Q4 2011 volume to be something like 47 million-ish smartphones. Probably a more realistic number would have been 35-40 million, as their market share was eroded by the more desirable iPhone/Android devices. But they sold around half the smartphones they would have done if they had not executed this WP “strategy”.

I said roughly 30 million for Q4 2010.

19.6 million was smartphones for Q4 2011, which I did not particulary refer to. The real intended comparison was between the ~4 million n8 devices sold in Q4 2010 (the quarter they launched in) vs. the ~ 1 million WP devices sold in Q4 2011 (plus a bit of Q1 2012, the quarter they launched in), also considering that the smartphone market in 2011 was 65% bigger than the one in 2010.

They sold something like 100 million for all of 2010 I seem to remember
(probably my number is about as accurate as 30 million compared to 28.6
million).

But also bear in mind that this 28.6 million was sold into a market that was growing massively in 2010 – 2011, so the drop of total volume down 19.6 million Q4 to Q4 is even worse than it initially appears. If they had managed to keep market share (which they would not have done) you would have expected the Q4 2011 volume to be something like 47 million-ish smartphones. Probably a more realistic number would have been 35-40 million, as their market share was eroded by the more desirable iPhone/Android devices. But they sold around half the smartphones they would have done if they had not executed this WP “strategy”.

This also means that N9 developers also have a bigger market to sell their apps to (all of the N9 users, plus all of the 10s of millions of Symbian users who have devices that support that version of QT). In other words their market (or shall we say ecosystem) is currently more than 10 times the size in terms of potential customers than that of WP developers…

As for flooding the market with WP devices by middle of 2013… you seem to have misunderstood the magnitude of the disaster facing Nokia. They are a huge company with massive operating costs, reporting a massive net loss, and with borrowing status downgraded to junk by the ratings agencies so it is almost impossible for them to take loans at a reasonable cost. It is possible that they will run out of cash before they can sell enough assets to cover (and reduce) their operating costs– and most of these are the assets are part of the production/logistics chain that actually makes Nokia possible to be itself (as opposed to just another generic phone brand that outsources all of it’s manufacturing), and are needed for them to have capacity to ramp up production. By mid 2013 it is entirely likely that Nokia won’t be able to swamp the market with WP devices (regardless of whether anyone wants to buy them) because they simply won’t have or be able to procure the manufacturing capacity to make them — bear in mind that by then they are likely to be servicing huge debts, so will be severely constrained in their capacity to grow to meet market demands (neglecting for the moment whether or not such market demands should ever occur for WP).

People talk about companies that are worth more broken up and sold as parts than they are in total, by comparing the companies share price to the total value of assets they hold. Right now Nokia are such an extreme example of this that they could actually just abandon some of their factories without even selling them, and increase the value of the company as a whole simply due to the reduction in operating costs. This is not a healthy position to be in.

This also means that N9 developers also have a bigger market to sell their apps to (all of the N9 users, plus all of the 10s of millions of Symbian users who have devices that support that version of QT). In other words their market (or shall we say ecosystem) is currently more than 10 times the size in terms of potential customers than that of WP developers…

As for flooding the market with WP devices by middle of 2013… you seem to have misunderstood the magnitude of the disaster facing Nokia. They are a huge company with massive operating costs, reporting a massive net loss, and with borrowing status downgraded to junk by the ratings agencies so it is almost impossible for them to take loans at a reasonable cost. It is possible that they will run out of cash before they can sell enough assets to cover (and reduce) their operating costs– and most of these are the assets are part of the production/logistics chain that actually makes Nokia possible to be itself (as opposed to just another generic phone brand that outsources all of it’s manufacturing), and are needed for them to have capacity to ramp up production. By mid 2013 it is entirely likely that Nokia won’t be able to swamp the market with WP devices (regardless of whether anyone wants to buy them) because they simply won’t have or be able to procure the manufacturing capacity to make them — bear in mind that by then they are likely to be servicing huge debts, so will be severely constrained in their capacity to grow to meet market demands (neglecting for the moment whether or not such market demands should ever occur for WP).

People talk about companies that are worth more broken up and sold as parts than they are in total, by comparing the companies share price to the total value of assets they hold. Right now Nokia are such an extreme example of this that they could actually just abandon some of their factories without even selling them, and increase the value of the company as a whole simply due to the reduction in operating costs. This is not a healthy position to be in.

Unless you get your device in an Apples Store from your carrier’s retail outlet, Apple ships direct from manufacturer to consumer.

Thanks though for stopping by ;-)

Unless you get your device in an Apples Store from your carrier’s retail outlet, Apple ships direct from manufacturer to consumer.

Thanks though for stopping by ;-)

Sure, it does take a few seconds to launch some apps and the browser does exhibit checkerboarding, but that’s entirely due to the dated TI SoC.

After using it for a few months, I’m starting to wonder how Android screwed up so much when the N9 is twice as smooth and 10 times better at multitasking on 2009-spec internals.

Sure, it does take a few seconds to launch some apps and the browser does exhibit checkerboarding, but that’s entirely due to the dated TI SoC.

After using it for a few months, I’m starting to wonder how Android screwed up so much when the N9 is twice as smooth and 10 times better at multitasking on 2009-spec internals.

In Q4 2010 (and noting that for WP shipments are talking about Q4 2011 and 1st third of Q1 2012) Nokia shipped something like 30 million smartphones, of which 4 million were the n8, and the numbers were trending upwards (although at a slower rate than the total size of the market).

This can only be considered an unmitigated disaster beyond all expectation.

The Windows Phone strategy was supposed to save Nokia from the poor future prospects of the Symbian -> Meego strategy (which in hindsight are starting to look comparatively rosy), not flush the company down the toilet.

In other news, it appears there are reports from some analysts that the barely available Nokia N9 outsold the heavily marketed Lumia devices by around 40%.