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		<title>By: Philip Berne</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66400</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Berne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are certainly some ways the Zune HD is ahead of the iPod touch, and some ways it is not. Zune has a great interface, and the few games that have been released take advantage of its graphics power with NVIDIA&#039;s Tegra inside. But the overall package of iOS with all of its available apps put the iPod touch in another league. The iPod touch is practically a tablet, it&#039;s so extensible. The Zune HD is just a solid multimedia player with a few extras. 

I&#039;m not going to argue with your experience with the Zune marketplace. Even Microsoft people admit that the selection is limited compared to other stores and services. It is a simple fact that there are fewer songs available on Zune than there are on iTunes of the Amazon MP3 store. Plus, the whole point of a subscription service is to avoid paying for individual songs. That&#039;s how Zune is marketed, after all, as a monthly fee against the entire cost of ownership of an iPod / iTunes library. So in that respect the Zune marketplace has failed. 

I&#039;m surprised you think my previous comments were &quot;going off.&quot; I never claimed Apple&#039;s rumored service would be unique. My point wasn&#039;t about the general availability of streaming services or silverlight. I found that argument incoherent, and it also seemed to be pushing discussion into an Apple / Microsoft argument, which is frankly boring and irrelevant. 

If you don&#039;t like my columns, read the other columns at Slashgear. I&#039;m only one person, and Slashgear doesn&#039;t tell me about what to write. In fact, they only tell me what about what I should not write, and that&#039;s mobile, because they feel they have plenty of great coverage already in that area. Can you unsubscribe from a free Web site? I guess that&#039;s a question of terminology. 

You hope they fire me? That&#039;s pretty mean, right? You hope that I lose my job because you disagree with my tone? I have never wished such a thing on anyone, and that overreaction and rudeness completely contradicts your previous argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly some ways the Zune HD is ahead of the iPod touch, and some ways it is not. Zune has a great interface, and the few games that have been released take advantage of its graphics power with NVIDIA&#8217;s Tegra inside. But the overall package of iOS with all of its available apps put the iPod touch in another league. The iPod touch is practically a tablet, it&#8217;s so extensible. The Zune HD is just a solid multimedia player with a few extras. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to argue with your experience with the Zune marketplace. Even Microsoft people admit that the selection is limited compared to other stores and services. It is a simple fact that there are fewer songs available on Zune than there are on iTunes of the Amazon MP3 store. Plus, the whole point of a subscription service is to avoid paying for individual songs. That&#8217;s how Zune is marketed, after all, as a monthly fee against the entire cost of ownership of an iPod / iTunes library. So in that respect the Zune marketplace has failed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you think my previous comments were &#8220;going off.&#8221; I never claimed Apple&#8217;s rumored service would be unique. My point wasn&#8217;t about the general availability of streaming services or silverlight. I found that argument incoherent, and it also seemed to be pushing discussion into an Apple / Microsoft argument, which is frankly boring and irrelevant. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like my columns, read the other columns at Slashgear. I&#8217;m only one person, and Slashgear doesn&#8217;t tell me about what to write. In fact, they only tell me what about what I should not write, and that&#8217;s mobile, because they feel they have plenty of great coverage already in that area. Can you unsubscribe from a free Web site? I guess that&#8217;s a question of terminology. </p>
<p>You hope they fire me? That&#8217;s pretty mean, right? You hope that I lose my job because you disagree with my tone? I have never wished such a thing on anyone, and that overreaction and rudeness completely contradicts your previous argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Raideen</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66399</link>
		<dc:creator>Raideen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His article was not about apple (I am not defending him, he could walk off the face of the planet for all I care), but how the industry overall is trying to push our music to be centrally located (on a cloud) vs us owning the music.

Thank you for the link anyway, and yes...it is of absolute importance imo to have mp3&#039;s be a high bit rate. 

I was in Dallas visiting a friend. He had some questions about his high fi set up (high end audio gear). He wanted to know why his bass was weak, the sound was thin and completely emotionless. 

He was showing his sub placement, his settings etc etc. We played many &quot;reference&quot; songs from his collection and it all sounded terrible. 

None of the music is stuff I listen to however, I have never listened to what my friends do...so I asked him what CD&#039;s he had to listen to. Again, same crap (imo) but he did have a CD from the band Garbage. I never really liked them, but know of some of their songs. We put in the CD and listened to the one song I liked. 

He then asked what I did to fix the sound because it sounded amazing, and had not sounded this good in 3 years. 

My answer was the CD is not compressed as heavily as mp3&#039;s are...and that if he wanted to make the system go from good to stellar to go buy a 500 dollar turntable from Music Hall and get some vinyl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His article was not about apple (I am not defending him, he could walk off the face of the planet for all I care), but how the industry overall is trying to push our music to be centrally located (on a cloud) vs us owning the music.</p>
<p>Thank you for the link anyway, and yes&#8230;it is of absolute importance imo to have mp3&#8242;s be a high bit rate. </p>
<p>I was in Dallas visiting a friend. He had some questions about his high fi set up (high end audio gear). He wanted to know why his bass was weak, the sound was thin and completely emotionless. </p>
<p>He was showing his sub placement, his settings etc etc. We played many &#8220;reference&#8221; songs from his collection and it all sounded terrible. </p>
<p>None of the music is stuff I listen to however, I have never listened to what my friends do&#8230;so I asked him what CD&#8217;s he had to listen to. Again, same crap (imo) but he did have a CD from the band Garbage. I never really liked them, but know of some of their songs. We put in the CD and listened to the one song I liked. </p>
<p>He then asked what I did to fix the sound because it sounded amazing, and had not sounded this good in 3 years. </p>
<p>My answer was the CD is not compressed as heavily as mp3&#8242;s are&#8230;and that if he wanted to make the system go from good to stellar to go buy a 500 dollar turntable from Music Hall and get some vinyl.</p>
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		<title>By: Raideen</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66398</link>
		<dc:creator>Raideen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the article in its entirety and I agree that having your purchased music on a cloud vs owning would just plain suck. There is a certain amount of nostalgia in listening to a song for whatever reason you have. I can remember staring at album covers for the albums duration. Peering into it deeply, looking for hidden stuff, it was all in the name of immersion for your love of the band. 

However, I disagree in you comment hear that zune sucks. The Zune HD player in and of itself is light years ahead of my ipod (or even the touch) and the zune service makes itunes look like a model A ford.

I just spent an hour looking at the zune marketplace typing in every band I could think of in my collection of 1000+ CD&#039;s (not saying I typed ALL the bands in, that would take forever), but I chose the most popular artists as you suggested and I could not find any issues with missing albums. I did see some singles were not in the market place, but the same goes for itunes. 

When you go off on someone like you did John Bascom, you come across as a silly ape. I am sure you will respond to this in some way to belittle me, that is your style after all. I guess all we can do as readers of slashgear is to either

A. unsubscribe
B. ignore your worthless rants 
C. hope they fire you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article in its entirety and I agree that having your purchased music on a cloud vs owning would just plain suck. There is a certain amount of nostalgia in listening to a song for whatever reason you have. I can remember staring at album covers for the albums duration. Peering into it deeply, looking for hidden stuff, it was all in the name of immersion for your love of the band. </p>
<p>However, I disagree in you comment hear that zune sucks. The Zune HD player in and of itself is light years ahead of my ipod (or even the touch) and the zune service makes itunes look like a model A ford.</p>
<p>I just spent an hour looking at the zune marketplace typing in every band I could think of in my collection of 1000+ CD&#8217;s (not saying I typed ALL the bands in, that would take forever), but I chose the most popular artists as you suggested and I could not find any issues with missing albums. I did see some singles were not in the market place, but the same goes for itunes. </p>
<p>When you go off on someone like you did John Bascom, you come across as a silly ape. I am sure you will respond to this in some way to belittle me, that is your style after all. I guess all we can do as readers of slashgear is to either</p>
<p>A. unsubscribe<br />
B. ignore your worthless rants<br />
C. hope they fire you</p>
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		<title>By: Anand Srinivasan</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66380</link>
		<dc:creator>Anand Srinivasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Grooveshark. I listen to a lot of non-English (Indian) music and I initially thought Grooveshark may not have them..What a surprise, they have each of those songs..Great to know they already have an app..Got to check them out..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Grooveshark. I listen to a lot of non-English (Indian) music and I initially thought Grooveshark may not have them..What a surprise, they have each of those songs..Great to know they already have an app..Got to check them out..</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Berne</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66369</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Berne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously? You read that entire column and can&#039;t see through your own biased Apple hatred to make a coherent point? I have a Zune HD and a Zune pass. I&#039;ve even used Zune on the Kin phones. Zune sucks. The selection is horrible, and even when you find a great artist, most of the best or most popular tracks are either unavailable, or available only for extra money. My column wasn&#039;t about Apple in the slightest, I only used the most recent, familiar example of a potential cloud-based music service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously? You read that entire column and can&#8217;t see through your own biased Apple hatred to make a coherent point? I have a Zune HD and a Zune pass. I&#8217;ve even used Zune on the Kin phones. Zune sucks. The selection is horrible, and even when you find a great artist, most of the best or most popular tracks are either unavailable, or available only for extra money. My column wasn&#8217;t about Apple in the slightest, I only used the most recent, familiar example of a potential cloud-based music service.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Berne</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66368</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Berne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points. I actually discovered Tom Waits a few years after college, but I still get what you&#039;re saying. 

I think that whether you like a piece of music because you are trying to relate to or trying to reject a person with whom you associate the tunes, you&#039;re taste is still heavily influenced by people. 

I wouldn&#039;t say the lousy music my friends make has more artistic merit, but it does have more meaning for me, and it would certainly be lost if cloud-based services become the dominant paradigm. 

I agree with you about the watery tarts, but I&#039;m not talking about &quot;music appreciation&quot; in general, more the way we relate to the music we enjoy, and the danger that relationship is facing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points. I actually discovered Tom Waits a few years after college, but I still get what you&#8217;re saying. </p>
<p>I think that whether you like a piece of music because you are trying to relate to or trying to reject a person with whom you associate the tunes, you&#8217;re taste is still heavily influenced by people. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say the lousy music my friends make has more artistic merit, but it does have more meaning for me, and it would certainly be lost if cloud-based services become the dominant paradigm. </p>
<p>I agree with you about the watery tarts, but I&#8217;m not talking about &#8220;music appreciation&#8221; in general, more the way we relate to the music we enjoy, and the danger that relationship is facing.</p>
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		<title>By: johnson.1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnson.1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, here&#039;s the link: http://www.spotify.com/int/about/features/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, here&#8217;s the link: <a href="http://www.spotify.com/int/about/features/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spotify.com/int/about/features/</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnson.1234</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66366</link>
		<dc:creator>johnson.1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you guys ever heard of Spotify? I&#039;ve used it for a couple of years now when in Europe. With a Premium account, you can stream music at a bitrate of 320kbps. I can tell you it&#039;s pretty awesome!

You can even use it on your mobile device. It&#039;s great when your visiting friends for example: just connect your phone to a stereo and start streaming. If they have WiFi, even better.

Spotify still haven&#039;t been able to enter the US market because of &quot;licensing agreements with record labels and local publishing rights societies&quot;, as they put it.

The point: Apple is years late (again) yet tries to take the credit (again).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you guys ever heard of Spotify? I&#8217;ve used it for a couple of years now when in Europe. With a Premium account, you can stream music at a bitrate of 320kbps. I can tell you it&#8217;s pretty awesome!</p>
<p>You can even use it on your mobile device. It&#8217;s great when your visiting friends for example: just connect your phone to a stereo and start streaming. If they have WiFi, even better.</p>
<p>Spotify still haven&#8217;t been able to enter the US market because of &#8220;licensing agreements with record labels and local publishing rights societies&#8221;, as they put it.</p>
<p>The point: Apple is years late (again) yet tries to take the credit (again).</p>
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		<title>By: John Bascom</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bascom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, zune.net has had music streaming for a good while now using a silverlight player. Just because apple decides to do it does it all of a sudden become unique?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, zune.net has had music streaming for a good while now using a silverlight player. Just because apple decides to do it does it all of a sudden become unique?</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert Roche</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/music-in-the-cloud-hallelujah-2799330/#comment-66358</link>
		<dc:creator>Norbert Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have a great point here. I love music ( I&#039;m sound engineer and music producer, so imagine how much I love it ) and, like you, I was thinking about having a streaming service where you can hear just the songs you want without worring about storage capacity and DRM. Well, my waiting days for this utopia are over. A good friend and music colleage told me about Groveshark.com. Groveshark is just that! A streaming service where you make your own library from a vast server located music library. Also, it lets you do your own playlist on the same service. What&#039;s more, this guys have just made an app for iPhone ( and hopefully for Android ) so you can hear your virtual library on your phone without using a single byte of your phone storage. The best part is, the basic account is FREE!! I&#039;m very happy with utopic way of enjoying my favorite music!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a great point here. I love music ( I&#8217;m sound engineer and music producer, so imagine how much I love it ) and, like you, I was thinking about having a streaming service where you can hear just the songs you want without worring about storage capacity and DRM. Well, my waiting days for this utopia are over. A good friend and music colleage told me about Groveshark.com. Groveshark is just that! A streaming service where you make your own library from a vast server located music library. Also, it lets you do your own playlist on the same service. What&#8217;s more, this guys have just made an app for iPhone ( and hopefully for Android ) so you can hear your virtual library on your phone without using a single byte of your phone storage. The best part is, the basic account is FREE!! I&#8217;m very happy with utopic way of enjoying my favorite music!!</p>
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		<title>By: ScottG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bet the audio quality will be crap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet the audio quality will be crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Twyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Twyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? i spent a great deal of my childhood and adolescence trying NOT to be like my parents. Musical taste is (IMHO) one of the earliest and least threatening ways that most people use to express their individuality. There&#039;s no question that at certains ages and stages we all run with the heard. 8 year old girls (or a Kardashian) and Justin Bieber come to mind. But what college freshman in the early 70s didn&#039;t suddently &quot;discover&quot; Joni Mitchell, or Tom Waits or (fill in the blank). I can&#039;t help but feel that you are assigning the &quot;value&quot; of music to the time and circumstance of your exposure to it. You make the arguement that &quot;Hallelujah&quot; is less valuable (to you) than your Ska trio. Does a mediocre version of &quot;Teen Spirit&quot; played by a close friend have more artistic merit than the original? i know it&#039;s more or less impossible to adequately express one&#039;s feelings about music in a relatively short piece, but come on, strange women lying in ponds, listening to Poi Dog Pondering is no basis for a system of musical appreciation (sorry Monty).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? i spent a great deal of my childhood and adolescence trying NOT to be like my parents. Musical taste is (IMHO) one of the earliest and least threatening ways that most people use to express their individuality. There&#8217;s no question that at certains ages and stages we all run with the heard. 8 year old girls (or a Kardashian) and Justin Bieber come to mind. But what college freshman in the early 70s didn&#8217;t suddently &#8220;discover&#8221; Joni Mitchell, or Tom Waits or (fill in the blank). I can&#8217;t help but feel that you are assigning the &#8220;value&#8221; of music to the time and circumstance of your exposure to it. You make the arguement that &#8220;Hallelujah&#8221; is less valuable (to you) than your Ska trio. Does a mediocre version of &#8220;Teen Spirit&#8221; played by a close friend have more artistic merit than the original? i know it&#8217;s more or less impossible to adequately express one&#8217;s feelings about music in a relatively short piece, but come on, strange women lying in ponds, listening to Poi Dog Pondering is no basis for a system of musical appreciation (sorry Monty).</p>
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