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		<title>By: CITIZEN9478</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-222009</link>
		<dc:creator>CITIZEN9478</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forget it.  Revived a thread over a week old. oops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget it.  Revived a thread over a week old. oops.</p>
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		<title>By: AmiRami</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219778</link>
		<dc:creator>AmiRami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way they appeared to have go about it was def the wrong way. they should have let at least some of the bigger OEMs know. But the fact of the matter is that Microsoft went in all or nothing with Windows 8 and they were counting on OEMs to deliver the hardware goods and they haven&#039;t. What we&#039;ve seen so far coming down the pipeline from a hardware perspective doesn&#039;t even come close to matching what Apple has to offer. the OEMS by in large are putting such great hardware for Android but leaving win8 to crappy keyboardless netbooks. If MS didn&#039;t step up windows 8 could be an epic failure and MS can not afford that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way they appeared to have go about it was def the wrong way. they should have let at least some of the bigger OEMs know. But the fact of the matter is that Microsoft went in all or nothing with Windows 8 and they were counting on OEMs to deliver the hardware goods and they haven&#8217;t. What we&#8217;ve seen so far coming down the pipeline from a hardware perspective doesn&#8217;t even come close to matching what Apple has to offer. the OEMS by in large are putting such great hardware for Android but leaving win8 to crappy keyboardless netbooks. If MS didn&#8217;t step up windows 8 could be an epic failure and MS can not afford that</p>
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		<title>By: AmiRami</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219560</link>
		<dc:creator>AmiRami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GOOD!!! If OEM&#039;s weren&#039;t stepping up then why shouldn&#039;t Microsoft? All I have seen this year is the iPad&#039;s awesome hardware specs, Android tablets trying to catch up and 1 better the iPad, and Windows OEM&#039;s building crappy horrible Intel Atom netbook/tablets. The nest I can say is that ASUS came out with 2 windows transformers and the taichi. Other than them and Lenovo&#039;s Yoga, I have&#039;t seen squat. I don&#039;t blame MS one bit for doing this. This is a huge gamble with their flagship product after all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD!!! If OEM&#8217;s weren&#8217;t stepping up then why shouldn&#8217;t Microsoft? All I have seen this year is the iPad&#8217;s awesome hardware specs, Android tablets trying to catch up and 1 better the iPad, and Windows OEM&#8217;s building crappy horrible Intel Atom netbook/tablets. The nest I can say is that ASUS came out with 2 windows transformers and the taichi. Other than them and Lenovo&#8217;s Yoga, I have&#8217;t seen squat. I don&#8217;t blame MS one bit for doing this. This is a huge gamble with their flagship product after all</p>
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		<title>By: CyberGusa</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219546</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberGusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PC Tables have typically cost much more, the Asus EP121 and Samsung Series 7 Slate being some recent examples to compare to the Pro version of the MS Surface.  

Mind that the Surface tablets are smaller, lighter, thinner, and use pricey casing material like magnesium that is more expensive to use than plastic or aluminum.

Even low end ATOM based PC Tablets go higher as examples like the fairly recently updated release for Gigabyte&#039;s S1081, previous was S1080 with N570, with N2800 Cedar Trail goes for around $650 but is not using any expensive designs like proprietary magnesium casing.

However, that brings up the point that the MS Surface tablets are most likely primarily targeted towards MS business users.  Such premium build quality is typical only for either ruggedized systems or systems specifically targeted to the business users market like say the Lenovo Thinkpads for example.

The Windows RT model may be using lower cost ARM solution but even ARM tablets can be pricey as the latest Asus Transformer Infinity shows, but mind the Surface build quality, while having only a 1366x768 resolution, is still overall higher than the Asus premium offering.

All of which is before considering the value of the OS.  While it will take time for Windows RT to develop a proper app ecosystem, it&#039;s still a more capable desktop OS versus the mobile OS solutions we&#039;re presently stuck with on most tablets.  

Also MS is including MS Office and Student 2013 RT with the Windows RT release and that saves users over $100 versus having to buy it separately.  Though of course not everyone would use it but again the point that this is mainly targeted to business users and that&#039;s still where MS makes most of its profits and makes sense they want to counter the spread of alternative OS tablets in those markets.

After all Apple at the very least has been making some significant inroads towards being adopted by many companies and that&#039;s not good news for MS and would be a trend they&#039;ll want to resist.

All that said though, it depends also how serious MS is towards pushing their own brand tablets as the move may be in part to give the industry a much needed wake up call.

Mind many system makers have lacked innovation, keep moving towards more and more cost cutting that lowers build quality, and dilute the experience with things like bloatware.

So consider the fact that the Surface tablets will be clean installs of Windows without all the usual junk and you won&#039;t need to worry about how fragile the device will be.

Meanwhile, other system makers will still come out with their own products.  Especially to cover the ranges the MS Surface doesn&#039;t cover like pretty much the entire mid-range offerings and lower end performance markets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PC Tables have typically cost much more, the Asus EP121 and Samsung Series 7 Slate being some recent examples to compare to the Pro version of the MS Surface.  </p>
<p>Mind that the Surface tablets are smaller, lighter, thinner, and use pricey casing material like magnesium that is more expensive to use than plastic or aluminum.</p>
<p>Even low end ATOM based PC Tablets go higher as examples like the fairly recently updated release for Gigabyte&#8217;s S1081, previous was S1080 with N570, with N2800 Cedar Trail goes for around $650 but is not using any expensive designs like proprietary magnesium casing.</p>
<p>However, that brings up the point that the MS Surface tablets are most likely primarily targeted towards MS business users.  Such premium build quality is typical only for either ruggedized systems or systems specifically targeted to the business users market like say the Lenovo Thinkpads for example.</p>
<p>The Windows RT model may be using lower cost ARM solution but even ARM tablets can be pricey as the latest Asus Transformer Infinity shows, but mind the Surface build quality, while having only a 1366&#215;768 resolution, is still overall higher than the Asus premium offering.</p>
<p>All of which is before considering the value of the OS.  While it will take time for Windows RT to develop a proper app ecosystem, it&#8217;s still a more capable desktop OS versus the mobile OS solutions we&#8217;re presently stuck with on most tablets.  </p>
<p>Also MS is including MS Office and Student 2013 RT with the Windows RT release and that saves users over $100 versus having to buy it separately.  Though of course not everyone would use it but again the point that this is mainly targeted to business users and that&#8217;s still where MS makes most of its profits and makes sense they want to counter the spread of alternative OS tablets in those markets.</p>
<p>After all Apple at the very least has been making some significant inroads towards being adopted by many companies and that&#8217;s not good news for MS and would be a trend they&#8217;ll want to resist.</p>
<p>All that said though, it depends also how serious MS is towards pushing their own brand tablets as the move may be in part to give the industry a much needed wake up call.</p>
<p>Mind many system makers have lacked innovation, keep moving towards more and more cost cutting that lowers build quality, and dilute the experience with things like bloatware.</p>
<p>So consider the fact that the Surface tablets will be clean installs of Windows without all the usual junk and you won&#8217;t need to worry about how fragile the device will be.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, other system makers will still come out with their own products.  Especially to cover the ranges the MS Surface doesn&#8217;t cover like pretty much the entire mid-range offerings and lower end performance markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Buxton</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219509</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Buxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the OEMs have a problem, they could always run Apple&#039;s OS...oh wait. Well, Linux in every household is right around the corner....oh wait. Google&#039;s Chrome based OS? Hmmmmm... guess they&#039;ll have to STEP IT UP!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the OEMs have a problem, they could always run Apple&#8217;s OS&#8230;oh wait. Well, Linux in every household is right around the corner&#8230;.oh wait. Google&#8217;s Chrome based OS? Hmmmmm&#8230; guess they&#8217;ll have to STEP IT UP!</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Respondi</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219507</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan Respondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not going to be &quot;fully functional.&quot; Read the fine print.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not going to be &#8220;fully functional.&#8221; Read the fine print.</p>
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		<title>By: $32081693</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219499</link>
		<dc:creator>$32081693</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;&#039;Microsft and its tablet partners KNOW that the Surface is a direct assualt on PCs&#039;&#039;..If what you say is true, the only logical step is for the OEMS to stop making PCs altogether and turn to making Surfaces... The fact of the matter is till the price of the Surface comes down, the impact will be negligible. (At the price point the Surface is, its a joke!) But Microsoft are gonna have a hard time getting it to the point because they have basically burnt the ones they need for it to happen....The OEMs... I think they went the completely wrong way about it, and by the sounds of it the OEMs seem to agree! They (Microsoft) got to see what was in the pipeline, they didnt like it, so went and did it their own way. Imagine you were a company who invested in a new (lets say) tech-software, and the person you bought it off went and made their own basically screwing you in the process! How would you react?!.... The only way for it to work is the either the Android way, build it, give it away, and let it grow (which face it, its Microsoft) or the Apple way, make it, keep it closed and build it yourself then patent troll to the bank. (sorry I had to throw it in there).. Microsoft are kind of caught in the middle whereby they want their products to have the lure of Apple and the market share of Android, but they are a software company first and foremost who rely on their customer (OEMs) and their customers customers (us)... I really think their only option to gain any traction would be to give Windows 8 (at least the metro side if its even possible) free on the proviso that OEMs dont skin it and provide timely updates. You&#039;ve also said  &#039;&#039;they will force their partners to accellerate their Windows tablet development&#039;&#039; I think the contrary, that they have scared them out of wanting anything to do with it.... only time will tell though! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;Microsft and its tablet partners KNOW that the Surface is a direct assualt on PCs&#8221;..If what you say is true, the only logical step is for the OEMS to stop making PCs altogether and turn to making Surfaces&#8230; The fact of the matter is till the price of the Surface comes down, the impact will be negligible. (At the price point the Surface is, its a joke!) But Microsoft are gonna have a hard time getting it to the point because they have basically burnt the ones they need for it to happen&#8230;.The OEMs&#8230; I think they went the completely wrong way about it, and by the sounds of it the OEMs seem to agree! They (Microsoft) got to see what was in the pipeline, they didnt like it, so went and did it their own way. Imagine you were a company who invested in a new (lets say) tech-software, and the person you bought it off went and made their own basically screwing you in the process! How would you react?!&#8230;. The only way for it to work is the either the Android way, build it, give it away, and let it grow (which face it, its Microsoft) or the Apple way, make it, keep it closed and build it yourself then patent troll to the bank. (sorry I had to throw it in there).. Microsoft are kind of caught in the middle whereby they want their products to have the lure of Apple and the market share of Android, but they are a software company first and foremost who rely on their customer (OEMs) and their customers customers (us)&#8230; I really think their only option to gain any traction would be to give Windows 8 (at least the metro side if its even possible) free on the proviso that OEMs dont skin it and provide timely updates. You&#8217;ve also said  &#8221;they will force their partners to accellerate their Windows tablet development&#8221; I think the contrary, that they have scared them out of wanting anything to do with it&#8230;. only time will tell though! </p>
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		<title>By: no man's land</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219492</link>
		<dc:creator>no man's land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$700 price tag for a tablet!!! are they serious? I don&#039;t think most consumers will fork that much for a windows tablet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$700 price tag for a tablet!!! are they serious? I don&#8217;t think most consumers will fork that much for a windows tablet.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleeflyguy43</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219487</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleeflyguy43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsft and its tablet partners KNOW that the Surface is a direct assualt on PCs.  there is no way of tap dancing around it.  The Surface, running a fully functuonal Windows 8 OS will inevitably eliminate netbooks, ultrabooks and non gaming laptop PCs.  


Microsoft assessed the situation and realized that its partners were going to price Windows tablets above their Ultrabook pricing.  afterall, when a product category is new, higher average prices is justified relative to the current line up of Ultrabooks and laptops. HP, Acer and others probably do not want a Windows tablet canibalizing sales of its $399-$799 PCs, so yhey probably resereved the $700+ price points for an equally servicable Windows tablet. They would justify the price as it relates to their own family of PCs, but not necessarily good to get mass proliferation of the Windows 8 monile platform.  Acer also has interest in their Android tablets and, like others, will not set out to cut their margins on a new Windows platform for tablets.  


I think Microsoft has made a bold move and the right one.  they will force their partners to accellerate their Windows tablet development and evolve their ultrabook pricing even more.  Uktrabooks, sleek and sexy like Macbook Airs, are still not trending well, which spells doom and gloom for Windows in the consumer space.  Microsoft is heading things off at the curve before Apple takes a majority share of the personal computing segment like they did with PMPs.  the Surface is NOT an iPad comoetitor.  It is a Windows platform for long term Microsoft relevancy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsft and its tablet partners KNOW that the Surface is a direct assualt on PCs.  there is no way of tap dancing around it.  The Surface, running a fully functuonal Windows 8 OS will inevitably eliminate netbooks, ultrabooks and non gaming laptop PCs.  </p>
<p>Microsoft assessed the situation and realized that its partners were going to price Windows tablets above their Ultrabook pricing.  afterall, when a product category is new, higher average prices is justified relative to the current line up of Ultrabooks and laptops. HP, Acer and others probably do not want a Windows tablet canibalizing sales of its $399-$799 PCs, so yhey probably resereved the $700+ price points for an equally servicable Windows tablet. They would justify the price as it relates to their own family of PCs, but not necessarily good to get mass proliferation of the Windows 8 monile platform.  Acer also has interest in their Android tablets and, like others, will not set out to cut their margins on a new Windows platform for tablets.  </p>
<p>I think Microsoft has made a bold move and the right one.  they will force their partners to accellerate their Windows tablet development and evolve their ultrabook pricing even more.  Uktrabooks, sleek and sexy like Macbook Airs, are still not trending well, which spells doom and gloom for Windows in the consumer space.  Microsoft is heading things off at the curve before Apple takes a majority share of the personal computing segment like they did with PMPs.  the Surface is NOT an iPad comoetitor.  It is a Windows platform for long term Microsoft relevancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stocklone</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-saw-oem-tablet-plans-went-ahead-with-surface-26235629/#comment-219476</link>
		<dc:creator>Stocklone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Investing in Android tablets.  Let me know how that goes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investing in Android tablets.  Let me know how that goes.</p>
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