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		<title>By: bertbopper</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-178562</link>
		<dc:creator>bertbopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having everything in focus is not delivering lesser photo&#039;s. Its just a matter of taste. I like movie makers that shot architecturally with small aperture. I like portraits that are tack sharp above fuzzy eye-only focus crap with vignetting applied afterwards. Our eyes see everything sharp... well not completely, but our auto-focus is so fast, it feels like all is sharp. I don&#039;t mind to photograph like that. Same as B&amp;W is crap imo nowadays. It does not serve a single purpose any longer. Any pic is better in colour than in B&amp;W.

Your suggestion about 3D is impossible. You can only make it with 2 lens points with a distance in between. Otherwise you wont see the part that the left eye can see, but is hidden by a head in the view from the right eye.

Your argument for snapshots is invalid too. People don&#039;t want to process pictures afterwards. The lytro might be fast, but the viewfinder isn&#039;t. Have a look at a Nikon V1, and see what is more relevant to snapshots. That camera takes 10 pics in a second, and selects the one with the most open eyes and smiles. That is what the Facebook generation wants to post their party straight to the net in 1 second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having everything in focus is not delivering lesser photo&#8217;s. Its just a matter of taste. I like movie makers that shot architecturally with small aperture. I like portraits that are tack sharp above fuzzy eye-only focus crap with vignetting applied afterwards. Our eyes see everything sharp&#8230; well not completely, but our auto-focus is so fast, it feels like all is sharp. I don&#8217;t mind to photograph like that. Same as B&amp;W is crap imo nowadays. It does not serve a single purpose any longer. Any pic is better in colour than in B&amp;W.</p>
<p>Your suggestion about 3D is impossible. You can only make it with 2 lens points with a distance in between. Otherwise you wont see the part that the left eye can see, but is hidden by a head in the view from the right eye.</p>
<p>Your argument for snapshots is invalid too. People don&#8217;t want to process pictures afterwards. The lytro might be fast, but the viewfinder isn&#8217;t. Have a look at a Nikon V1, and see what is more relevant to snapshots. That camera takes 10 pics in a second, and selects the one with the most open eyes and smiles. That is what the Facebook generation wants to post their party straight to the net in 1 second.</p>
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		<title>By: bertbopper</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-178563</link>
		<dc:creator>bertbopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having everything in focus is not delivering lesser photo&#039;s. Its just a matter of taste. I like movie makers that shot architecturally with small aperture. I like portraits that are tack sharp above fuzzy eye-only focus crap with vignetting applied afterwards. Our eyes see everything sharp... well not completely, but our auto-focus is so fast, it feels like all is sharp. I don&#039;t mind to photograph like that. Same as B&amp;W is crap imo nowadays. It does not serve a single purpose any longer. Any pic is better in colour than in B&amp;W.

Your suggestion about 3D is impossible. You can only make it with 2 lens points with a distance in between. Otherwise you wont see the part that the left eye can see, but is hidden by a head in the view from the right eye.

Your argument for snapshots is invalid too. People don&#039;t want to process pictures afterwards. The lytro might be fast, but the viewfinder isn&#039;t. Have a look at a Nikon V1, and see what is more relevant to snapshots. That camera takes 10 pics in a second, and selects the one with the most open eyes and smiles. That is what the Facebook generation wants to post their party straight to the net in 1 second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having everything in focus is not delivering lesser photo&#8217;s. Its just a matter of taste. I like movie makers that shot architecturally with small aperture. I like portraits that are tack sharp above fuzzy eye-only focus crap with vignetting applied afterwards. Our eyes see everything sharp&#8230; well not completely, but our auto-focus is so fast, it feels like all is sharp. I don&#8217;t mind to photograph like that. Same as B&amp;W is crap imo nowadays. It does not serve a single purpose any longer. Any pic is better in colour than in B&amp;W.</p>
<p>Your suggestion about 3D is impossible. You can only make it with 2 lens points with a distance in between. Otherwise you wont see the part that the left eye can see, but is hidden by a head in the view from the right eye.</p>
<p>Your argument for snapshots is invalid too. People don&#8217;t want to process pictures afterwards. The lytro might be fast, but the viewfinder isn&#8217;t. Have a look at a Nikon V1, and see what is more relevant to snapshots. That camera takes 10 pics in a second, and selects the one with the most open eyes and smiles. That is what the Facebook generation wants to post their party straight to the net in 1 second.</p>
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		<title>By: lairdp</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176931</link>
		<dc:creator>lairdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter how you arrange it, the Lytro lenses and processing are about as large as the entire iPhone. I&#039;m sure that the technology will evolve - the Lytro is the first consumer model lightfield camera, and I&#039;m sure that it&#039;ll get better/faster/cheaper over time, just as traditional digital cameras started out as oddities used in exotic applications, then became mainstream cameras, and now are so tiny that they&#039;re embedded into phones. Lightfield cameras are just now moving from oddities to enter the consumer market, and if we&#039;re lucky, perhaps in a decade lightfield cameras will have followed the same path. But, sadly, it&#039;s too early. :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how you arrange it, the Lytro lenses and processing are about as large as the entire iPhone. I&#8217;m sure that the technology will evolve &#8211; the Lytro is the first consumer model lightfield camera, and I&#8217;m sure that it&#8217;ll get better/faster/cheaper over time, just as traditional digital cameras started out as oddities used in exotic applications, then became mainstream cameras, and now are so tiny that they&#8217;re embedded into phones. Lightfield cameras are just now moving from oddities to enter the consumer market, and if we&#8217;re lucky, perhaps in a decade lightfield cameras will have followed the same path. But, sadly, it&#8217;s too early. :-(</p>
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		<title>By: lairdp</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176932</link>
		<dc:creator>lairdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter how you arrange it, the Lytro lenses and processing are about as large as the entire iPhone. I&#039;m sure that the technology will evolve - the Lytro is the first consumer model lightfield camera, and I&#039;m sure that it&#039;ll get better/faster/cheaper over time, just as traditional digital cameras started out as oddities used in exotic applications, then became mainstream cameras, and now are so tiny that they&#039;re embedded into phones. Lightfield cameras are just now moving from oddities to enter the consumer market, and if we&#039;re lucky, perhaps in a decade lightfield cameras will have followed the same path. But, sadly, it&#039;s too early. :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how you arrange it, the Lytro lenses and processing are about as large as the entire iPhone. I&#8217;m sure that the technology will evolve &#8211; the Lytro is the first consumer model lightfield camera, and I&#8217;m sure that it&#8217;ll get better/faster/cheaper over time, just as traditional digital cameras started out as oddities used in exotic applications, then became mainstream cameras, and now are so tiny that they&#8217;re embedded into phones. Lightfield cameras are just now moving from oddities to enter the consumer market, and if we&#8217;re lucky, perhaps in a decade lightfield cameras will have followed the same path. But, sadly, it&#8217;s too early. :-(</p>
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		<title>By: lairdp</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176929</link>
		<dc:creator>lairdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used a Lytro last month, and based on that a few corrections:

1) The Lytro takes pictures much faster than a traditional camera, because it doesn&#039;t need to focus, so you can just point and take pictures with no lag time. That&#039;s going to make a huge difference for parents (for example) who are taking pictures of kids, who move rapidly so there&#039;s no time to focus, compose, etc.

2) Yes, you could take a picture that&#039;s in focus at all depths, but that&#039;s not the same thing as being able to focus at an depth, because it&#039;s important for photo composition that the things that you don&#039;t want people to focus on be &quot;out of focus&quot;. Cameras that take pictures in focus at all distances produce painfully distracting photo&#039;s, because there&#039;s no point of focus.

You do make a good point that there&#039;s a tradeoff between capturing the entire lightfield and resolution. If you capture 10m rays of light, that gives you the ability for the viewer to extract 1m pixel images, focused on different areas. That gives the viewer (or photographer) a lot of control over the photo composition after it&#039;s taken, which is very powerful, but the cost of that flexibility is resolution.

So while you might be right that to a professional photographer taking carefully posed and composed photo&#039;s for print the Lytro isn&#039;t appropriate. But to a normal person taking pictures that won&#039;t wait for careful composition and focus, for video/web use, the Lytro is pretty appealing.

There are also other interesting applications of having all of the raw data from the lightfield available. For example, it should be possible to generate 3D stereo pair images out of a single lightfield. And who knows what over clever tricks people come up with, once they get their hands on the raw lightfield data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used a Lytro last month, and based on that a few corrections:</p>
<p>1) The Lytro takes pictures much faster than a traditional camera, because it doesn&#8217;t need to focus, so you can just point and take pictures with no lag time. That&#8217;s going to make a huge difference for parents (for example) who are taking pictures of kids, who move rapidly so there&#8217;s no time to focus, compose, etc.</p>
<p>2) Yes, you could take a picture that&#8217;s in focus at all depths, but that&#8217;s not the same thing as being able to focus at an depth, because it&#8217;s important for photo composition that the things that you don&#8217;t want people to focus on be &#8220;out of focus&#8221;. Cameras that take pictures in focus at all distances produce painfully distracting photo&#8217;s, because there&#8217;s no point of focus.</p>
<p>You do make a good point that there&#8217;s a tradeoff between capturing the entire lightfield and resolution. If you capture 10m rays of light, that gives you the ability for the viewer to extract 1m pixel images, focused on different areas. That gives the viewer (or photographer) a lot of control over the photo composition after it&#8217;s taken, which is very powerful, but the cost of that flexibility is resolution.</p>
<p>So while you might be right that to a professional photographer taking carefully posed and composed photo&#8217;s for print the Lytro isn&#8217;t appropriate. But to a normal person taking pictures that won&#8217;t wait for careful composition and focus, for video/web use, the Lytro is pretty appealing.</p>
<p>There are also other interesting applications of having all of the raw data from the lightfield available. For example, it should be possible to generate 3D stereo pair images out of a single lightfield. And who knows what over clever tricks people come up with, once they get their hands on the raw lightfield data.</p>
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		<title>By: lairdp</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176930</link>
		<dc:creator>lairdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used a Lytro last month, and based on that a few corrections:

1) The Lytro takes pictures much faster than a traditional camera, because it doesn&#039;t need to focus, so you can just point and take pictures with no lag time. That&#039;s going to make a huge difference for parents (for example) who are taking pictures of kids, who move rapidly so there&#039;s no time to focus, compose, etc.

2) Yes, you could take a picture that&#039;s in focus at all depths, but that&#039;s not the same thing as being able to focus at an depth, because it&#039;s important for photo composition that the things that you don&#039;t want people to focus on be &quot;out of focus&quot;. Cameras that take pictures in focus at all distances produce painfully distracting photo&#039;s, because there&#039;s no point of focus.

You do make a good point that there&#039;s a tradeoff between capturing the entire lightfield and resolution. If you capture 10m rays of light, that gives you the ability for the viewer to extract 1m pixel images, focused on different areas. That gives the viewer (or photographer) a lot of control over the photo composition after it&#039;s taken, which is very powerful, but the cost of that flexibility is resolution.

So while you might be right that to a professional photographer taking carefully posed and composed photo&#039;s for print the Lytro isn&#039;t appropriate. But to a normal person taking pictures that won&#039;t wait for careful composition and focus, for video/web use, the Lytro is pretty appealing.

There are also other interesting applications of having all of the raw data from the lightfield available. For example, it should be possible to generate 3D stereo pair images out of a single lightfield. And who knows what over clever tricks people come up with, once they get their hands on the raw lightfield data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used a Lytro last month, and based on that a few corrections:</p>
<p>1) The Lytro takes pictures much faster than a traditional camera, because it doesn&#8217;t need to focus, so you can just point and take pictures with no lag time. That&#8217;s going to make a huge difference for parents (for example) who are taking pictures of kids, who move rapidly so there&#8217;s no time to focus, compose, etc.</p>
<p>2) Yes, you could take a picture that&#8217;s in focus at all depths, but that&#8217;s not the same thing as being able to focus at an depth, because it&#8217;s important for photo composition that the things that you don&#8217;t want people to focus on be &#8220;out of focus&#8221;. Cameras that take pictures in focus at all distances produce painfully distracting photo&#8217;s, because there&#8217;s no point of focus.</p>
<p>You do make a good point that there&#8217;s a tradeoff between capturing the entire lightfield and resolution. If you capture 10m rays of light, that gives you the ability for the viewer to extract 1m pixel images, focused on different areas. That gives the viewer (or photographer) a lot of control over the photo composition after it&#8217;s taken, which is very powerful, but the cost of that flexibility is resolution.</p>
<p>So while you might be right that to a professional photographer taking carefully posed and composed photo&#8217;s for print the Lytro isn&#8217;t appropriate. But to a normal person taking pictures that won&#8217;t wait for careful composition and focus, for video/web use, the Lytro is pretty appealing.</p>
<p>There are also other interesting applications of having all of the raw data from the lightfield available. For example, it should be possible to generate 3D stereo pair images out of a single lightfield. And who knows what over clever tricks people come up with, once they get their hands on the raw lightfield data.</p>
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		<title>By: JNawaz</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176326</link>
		<dc:creator>JNawaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this to enhance photos for our so called instagram photographers to look more professional?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this to enhance photos for our so called instagram photographers to look more professional?</p>
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		<title>By: JNawaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>JNawaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this to enhance photos for our so called instagram photographers to look more professional?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this to enhance photos for our so called instagram photographers to look more professional?</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176152</link>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Not impossible, horizontal it wouldnt work but length wise it would work. Just use a mirror at the end so it looks outward.  If its 4 inches long then its possible.  Not only that but if they made a smaller version the quality might not be as good but you could be able to fit it length wise and the thickness would be much smaller.  Assuming its impossible is a bad assumption. Not only that but apple will eventually venture into this area anyway. After phones/ipads/computers, tvs and cameras are the logical progression.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Not impossible, horizontal it wouldnt work but length wise it would work. Just use a mirror at the end so it looks outward.  If its 4 inches long then its possible.  Not only that but if they made a smaller version the quality might not be as good but you could be able to fit it length wise and the thickness would be much smaller.  Assuming its impossible is a bad assumption. Not only that but apple will eventually venture into this area anyway. After phones/ipads/computers, tvs and cameras are the logical progression.  </p>
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		<title>By: bertbopper</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176014</link>
		<dc:creator>bertbopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stop bothering about the Lytro. It is fancy, and that is just it. Read the techpaper, and think how you make photos: add 1+1 and the result is just 0.
2 problems: when I take a photo, I want to do it at THAT moment. Not delay the actual photography to some later moment and thus double or even quadrupple the time it takes to make a picture. I already delay printing of my best photo&#039;s. Lytro pics would be like the RAW files I never process.
Second: read about the tech. They use the pixels of a regular sensor to catch 10 fixed focal distances at once. So a 10mpixel sensor, rougly delivers 10 images of 1mpixel. At the moment it results in 500x500 pixel images. The idea that it allows you to set the focal plane as you like in the past, is just nonsense. A 500x500 pixel sensor would be more sensitive to light, and with a F11 diaphragm, it would be tack sharp from 20cm to inifity, and still deliver finer grain. So Lytro would be 10 years behind on IQ compared to current DLSR&#039;s forever, just because the way their technique works. And hey, try to get those microlenses perfect in 2020 to get 50 depths of field (with larger sensors, more fixed distances are needed) at 10 mpixel using that 500 mpixel sensor. But we shoot 50 mpixel at ISO 500000 by then already.....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop bothering about the Lytro. It is fancy, and that is just it. Read the techpaper, and think how you make photos: add 1+1 and the result is just 0.<br />
2 problems: when I take a photo, I want to do it at THAT moment. Not delay the actual photography to some later moment and thus double or even quadrupple the time it takes to make a picture. I already delay printing of my best photo&#8217;s. Lytro pics would be like the RAW files I never process.<br />
Second: read about the tech. They use the pixels of a regular sensor to catch 10 fixed focal distances at once. So a 10mpixel sensor, rougly delivers 10 images of 1mpixel. At the moment it results in 500&#215;500 pixel images. The idea that it allows you to set the focal plane as you like in the past, is just nonsense. A 500&#215;500 pixel sensor would be more sensitive to light, and with a F11 diaphragm, it would be tack sharp from 20cm to inifity, and still deliver finer grain. So Lytro would be 10 years behind on IQ compared to current DLSR&#8217;s forever, just because the way their technique works. And hey, try to get those microlenses perfect in 2020 to get 50 depths of field (with larger sensors, more fixed distances are needed) at 10 mpixel using that 500 mpixel sensor. But we shoot 50 mpixel at ISO 500000 by then already&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: mightygoose</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lytro-iphone-impossible-at-the-moment-cease-your-dreaming-25210771/#comment-176012</link>
		<dc:creator>mightygoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well nice to see an innovative start-up being Apple only...... I would have bought one. Guess i&#039;m just not &quot;creative&quot; enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well nice to see an innovative start-up being Apple only&#8230;&#8230; I would have bought one. Guess i&#8217;m just not &#8220;creative&#8221; enough.</p>
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