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	<title>Comments on: Linux architect Linus Torvalds to Nvidia: &#8220;F*** You&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm... You&#039;d think Linus Torvalds would be more up to date. NVIDIA already provides great support for Linux and other open source applications and projects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; You&#8217;d think Linus Torvalds would be more up to date. NVIDIA already provides great support for Linux and other open source applications and projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazarus</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217546</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question was about the Optimus technology that many laptops use. Basically there are two GPUs, the one from Intel which is weaker but a lot more power-efficient and a Nvidia card which should handle the heavy stuff a lot easier but it also eats a lot of battery. With Nvidia Optimus enabled the Nvidia GPU gets disabled and is only activated when truly needed (playing games etc.).  And this saves a lot of battery. On Linux you can&#039;t do this, the Nvidia card will always be active and the result is that you get half the battery life in Linux compared to Windows. There is an open source project called Bumblebee that lets you disable the Nvidia card and use the Intel one, and guess what, when you use it the battery life on Linux is comparable to Windows. 
When someone from NVidia was asked if they will implement Optimus in the Linux driver the answer was &quot;NO&quot;! So it&#039;s not about not open-sourcing their drivers it&#039;s about not offering support for a very important feature. So yes, NVidia really deserves a big &quot;FUCK YOU!&quot; from every Linux user.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question was about the Optimus technology that many laptops use. Basically there are two GPUs, the one from Intel which is weaker but a lot more power-efficient and a Nvidia card which should handle the heavy stuff a lot easier but it also eats a lot of battery. With Nvidia Optimus enabled the Nvidia GPU gets disabled and is only activated when truly needed (playing games etc.).  And this saves a lot of battery. On Linux you can&#8217;t do this, the Nvidia card will always be active and the result is that you get half the battery life in Linux compared to Windows. There is an open source project called Bumblebee that lets you disable the Nvidia card and use the Intel one, and guess what, when you use it the battery life on Linux is comparable to Windows.<br />
When someone from NVidia was asked if they will implement Optimus in the Linux driver the answer was &#8220;NO&#8221;! So it&#8217;s not about not open-sourcing their drivers it&#8217;s about not offering support for a very important feature. So yes, NVidia really deserves a big &#8220;FUCK YOU!&#8221; from every Linux user.</p>
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		<title>By: Philippe Symons</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217523</link>
		<dc:creator>Philippe Symons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those are number of linux desktops, not servers. And they&#039;re based on browserstats. Needless to say servers don&#039;t usually have a browser open, now have they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are number of linux desktops, not servers. And they&#8217;re based on browserstats. Needless to say servers don&#8217;t usually have a browser open, now have they?</p>
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		<title>By: Grigor</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217508</link>
		<dc:creator>Grigor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Torvalds asks for is not NVidia to slave for him, but the opportunity for him to slave for them, just to have their hardware working properly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Torvalds asks for is not NVidia to slave for him, but the opportunity for him to slave for them, just to have their hardware working properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Grigor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grigor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To my experience, NVidia closed-source drivers have always been a disaster to run. Weeks of tuning, recompiling dozens of kernels with esoteric options to get the video working properly... you name it. Sometimes even it is obvious where the bug is, a one-liner would fix it, but good luck with that.


If it was Richard Stallman who said this, one could think it is the ideology that speaks. But Linus has always been the practical guy, the &quot;if it ain&#039;t broken, don&#039;t fix it&quot; one. If he says all this, the thing MUST be badly broken. And none knows that better than him.


NVidia owes me absolutely nothing. However, I owe them absolutely nothing, too. If they don&#039;t supply me a driver I can rely on, they don&#039;t supply me a hardware I can rely on - I will counsel everybody to never buy their hardware. And I do counsel this.


And more. Open source is not about feeling ideologically satisfied - it is about being able to fix the damned bugs of the developer. If the developer insists on locking the bugs inside their product, how do you expect me to buy, support or even tolerate them? Good grief!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my experience, NVidia closed-source drivers have always been a disaster to run. Weeks of tuning, recompiling dozens of kernels with esoteric options to get the video working properly&#8230; you name it. Sometimes even it is obvious where the bug is, a one-liner would fix it, but good luck with that.</p>
<p>If it was Richard Stallman who said this, one could think it is the ideology that speaks. But Linus has always been the practical guy, the &#8220;if it ain&#8217;t broken, don&#8217;t fix it&#8221; one. If he says all this, the thing MUST be badly broken. And none knows that better than him.</p>
<p>NVidia owes me absolutely nothing. However, I owe them absolutely nothing, too. If they don&#8217;t supply me a driver I can rely on, they don&#8217;t supply me a hardware I can rely on &#8211; I will counsel everybody to never buy their hardware. And I do counsel this.</p>
<p>And more. Open source is not about feeling ideologically satisfied &#8211; it is about being able to fix the damned bugs of the developer. If the developer insists on locking the bugs inside their product, how do you expect me to buy, support or even tolerate them? Good grief!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217481</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, the Linux drivers available on Nvidia&#039;s website don&#039;t constitute support? I have an Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT 1GB graphics card in my desktop and you&#039;d better believe I use it for gaming, in both Windows and Linux. I&#039;ve had very few issues with gaming performance in Linux, no more than I&#039;ve had in Windows. Gaming is a dicey proposition to begin with. When you think about it, a 3rd party is trying to make the most graphically exciting game while simultaneously trying to get it to work on a wide variety of graphics cards. So, yes, there are issues. In any operating system.


After I first built my desktop, I used to use the on board Intel graphics in my motherboard. And, while Intel may work closely with open source and all of their drivers may be open source, their 3D performance is atrocious. It was dreadful for gaming, in both Windows and Linux, which is why I bought my Nvidia card. Gaming has been great since I bought it.


So, what exactly is the Linux community complaining about? So what if Nvidia doesn&#039;t play in the sandbox with the other kids? They still release (for the most part) good Linux drivers for their products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Linux drivers available on Nvidia&#8217;s website don&#8217;t constitute support? I have an Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT 1GB graphics card in my desktop and you&#8217;d better believe I use it for gaming, in both Windows and Linux. I&#8217;ve had very few issues with gaming performance in Linux, no more than I&#8217;ve had in Windows. Gaming is a dicey proposition to begin with. When you think about it, a 3rd party is trying to make the most graphically exciting game while simultaneously trying to get it to work on a wide variety of graphics cards. So, yes, there are issues. In any operating system.</p>
<p>After I first built my desktop, I used to use the on board Intel graphics in my motherboard. And, while Intel may work closely with open source and all of their drivers may be open source, their 3D performance is atrocious. It was dreadful for gaming, in both Windows and Linux, which is why I bought my Nvidia card. Gaming has been great since I bought it.</p>
<p>So, what exactly is the Linux community complaining about? So what if Nvidia doesn&#8217;t play in the sandbox with the other kids? They still release (for the most part) good Linux drivers for their products.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper M. - Denmark</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217468</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesper M. - Denmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats my man - Really Cool]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats my man &#8211; Really Cool</p>
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		<title>By: Popescu Sorin</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217437</link>
		<dc:creator>Popescu Sorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[your mom]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your mom</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Bond</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217391</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 90&#039;s called, they want their post back!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 90&#8242;s called, they want their post back!</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran Jadhav</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217388</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiran Jadhav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome!!! I salute you Sir. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!!! I salute you Sir. </p>
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		<title>By: CyberGusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyberGusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He also said other companies have also given them problems.  At least Nvidia provides their own Linux drivers, you can go to their site and see the Linux driver downloads, they&#039;re just not Open Source drivers.  So the Linux community can&#039;t tweak or optimize them.  

While there are companies that don&#039;t even do that much like Imagination with their PowerVR GPU&#039;s for example.  Nvidia is just the big name company on the list.

Mind part of the complaint is having to deal with companies that don&#039;t provide Open Source Drivers.  So more than just a lack of support but the type of support as well.

While even the companies that do provide Open Source drivers tend to have slow updates and release schedules.  So it&#039;s a constant struggle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also said other companies have also given them problems.  At least Nvidia provides their own Linux drivers, you can go to their site and see the Linux driver downloads, they&#8217;re just not Open Source drivers.  So the Linux community can&#8217;t tweak or optimize them.  </p>
<p>While there are companies that don&#8217;t even do that much like Imagination with their PowerVR GPU&#8217;s for example.  Nvidia is just the big name company on the list.</p>
<p>Mind part of the complaint is having to deal with companies that don&#8217;t provide Open Source Drivers.  So more than just a lack of support but the type of support as well.</p>
<p>While even the companies that do provide Open Source drivers tend to have slow updates and release schedules.  So it&#8217;s a constant struggle.</p>
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		<title>By: rosdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean aside from the time to troubleshoot the linux to make sure gnome/whatever can properly detect your graphic card and run at the proper resolution?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean aside from the time to troubleshoot the linux to make sure gnome/whatever can properly detect your graphic card and run at the proper resolution?</p>
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		<title>By: rosdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t you learn anything Torvalds, this is a materialistic world.. what is the incentive for nvidia to slave their hours for you? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t you learn anything Torvalds, this is a materialistic world.. what is the incentive for nvidia to slave their hours for you? </p>
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		<title>By: rtqp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtqp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never had much of a problem with either of them! But then, I don&#039;t game under Linux...

It&#039;s more about resenting a small handful of companies having a death grip on the market and using consumers as poker chips. The only thing I can do is A) vote with my wallet B) gripe on the internet

And here we are. :) Torvalds has taken great pains to make it clear he has no bias other than making Linux better. If he says NVidia are being a bunch of spoiled children, I&#039;ll take his word on it, and purchase hardware accordingly. Trust is very important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never had much of a problem with either of them! But then, I don&#8217;t game under Linux&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more about resenting a small handful of companies having a death grip on the market and using consumers as poker chips. The only thing I can do is A) vote with my wallet B) gripe on the internet</p>
<p>And here we are. :) Torvalds has taken great pains to make it clear he has no bias other than making Linux better. If he says NVidia are being a bunch of spoiled children, I&#8217;ll take his word on it, and purchase hardware accordingly. Trust is very important.</p>
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		<title>By: Matti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize the differences, see my other post below.
..and I agree with all you&#039;ve said.

My only worry is, as a long time user of Linux, that Android will do more harm than good to Linux in the long term, not because of Linux or GNU developers, but by Google&#039;s management. I&#039;ve always been surprised by how fundamentally flawed Android is (Java/Davlik,, total disregard for security, latency), considering how well they&#039;ve developed their Chrome/Chromium browser.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize the differences, see my other post below.<br />
..and I agree with all you&#8217;ve said.</p>
<p>My only worry is, as a long time user of Linux, that Android will do more harm than good to Linux in the long term, not because of Linux or GNU developers, but by Google&#8217;s management. I&#8217;ve always been surprised by how fundamentally flawed Android is (Java/Davlik,, total disregard for security, latency), considering how well they&#8217;ve developed their Chrome/Chromium browser.</p>
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		<title>By: CyberGusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyberGusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linux running games faster has been known for years, but a lot has to change for them to seriously consider developing games for Linux.

The Open Source Nature of Linux doesn&#039;t make it ideal platform to sell games to begin with and the low cost model used on Android won&#039;t work for desktop systems where people expect better gaming experience that the low cost games simply can&#039;t provide. 

Then add the high fragmentation of Linux with literally hundreds of different distros and a constantly evolving Kernel.

Even with the more popular Android platform games are rarely optimized for the hardware because of the fragmentations of both the software and hardware.

While driver support has to improve before they can even run the latest games on the latest hardware with Linux, but right now it can still take a year or two, if not longer, to get proper drivers after new hardware releases.

Really, even for game consoles that have the advantage of not having to deal with constant kernel changes and multiple versions of the OS still take a few years for game developers to fully take advantage of the hardware.

Thus why the Status quo hasn&#039;t changed even though they&#039;ve known about Linux advantages for years.

Though when future versions of Android allow desktop Linux to be run with the same kernel and thus run on the same device without needing to dual boot then we may see more interest finally start but all the issues I mentioned have to be addressed before it can be more than just a niche market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux running games faster has been known for years, but a lot has to change for them to seriously consider developing games for Linux.</p>
<p>The Open Source Nature of Linux doesn&#8217;t make it ideal platform to sell games to begin with and the low cost model used on Android won&#8217;t work for desktop systems where people expect better gaming experience that the low cost games simply can&#8217;t provide. </p>
<p>Then add the high fragmentation of Linux with literally hundreds of different distros and a constantly evolving Kernel.</p>
<p>Even with the more popular Android platform games are rarely optimized for the hardware because of the fragmentations of both the software and hardware.</p>
<p>While driver support has to improve before they can even run the latest games on the latest hardware with Linux, but right now it can still take a year or two, if not longer, to get proper drivers after new hardware releases.</p>
<p>Really, even for game consoles that have the advantage of not having to deal with constant kernel changes and multiple versions of the OS still take a few years for game developers to fully take advantage of the hardware.</p>
<p>Thus why the Status quo hasn&#8217;t changed even though they&#8217;ve known about Linux advantages for years.</p>
<p>Though when future versions of Android allow desktop Linux to be run with the same kernel and thus run on the same device without needing to dual boot then we may see more interest finally start but all the issues I mentioned have to be addressed before it can be more than just a niche market.</p>
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		<title>By: Slipvyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slipvyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CyberGusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyberGusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Besides security, there are other differences and reasons for the confusion between Android and what people normally associate with Linux.

Basically Android contains the Linux Kernel, but not the GNU; thus, Android and GNU/Linux are mostly different.

Google primarily designed Android to serve as a Mobile OS for Smart Phones and similar devices.  So it doesn&#039;t have the range of features and capabilities you would get with a desktop Linux distro.

While Android is also only mostly Open Source.  The Android OS source code is released mostly under the Apache License, which is a lax free software license without copyleft. 


So anybody is allowed to download the source code and change it however they like, but they are not required to make their changes available in source code form to the public.  

Consequently, this is why we can&#039;t change and recompile things like HTC Sense or MotoBlur because the changes to the base 
Android source code aren&#039;t available to us.

Along with also closed driver support helps show how different Android really is from what we would normally consider Linux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides security, there are other differences and reasons for the confusion between Android and what people normally associate with Linux.</p>
<p>Basically Android contains the Linux Kernel, but not the GNU; thus, Android and GNU/Linux are mostly different.</p>
<p>Google primarily designed Android to serve as a Mobile OS for Smart Phones and similar devices.  So it doesn&#8217;t have the range of features and capabilities you would get with a desktop Linux distro.</p>
<p>While Android is also only mostly Open Source.  The Android OS source code is released mostly under the Apache License, which is a lax free software license without copyleft. </p>
<p>So anybody is allowed to download the source code and change it however they like, but they are not required to make their changes available in source code form to the public.  </p>
<p>Consequently, this is why we can&#8217;t change and recompile things like HTC Sense or MotoBlur because the changes to the base<br />
Android source code aren&#8217;t available to us.</p>
<p>Along with also closed driver support helps show how different Android really is from what we would normally consider Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rodrigue</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217344</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rodrigue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch! (posted from my Transformer Prime running on nVidia Tegra3) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch! (posted from my Transformer Prime running on nVidia Tegra3) </p>
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		<title>By: Cheers</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217340</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone seems butthurt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone seems butthurt.</p>
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		<title>By: diego</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217339</link>
		<dc:creator>diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linus is my hero, my admiration for this guy is infinite. My next card will be from Intel (integrated).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linus is my hero, my admiration for this guy is infinite. My next card will be from Intel (integrated).</p>
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		<title>By: Teche21</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217337</link>
		<dc:creator>Teche21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just search in Google and you will get the OS share numbers. here is one of the link where I found the Linux OS market share numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just search in Google and you will get the OS share numbers. here is one of the link where I found the Linux OS market share numbers.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martin-Smucker</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217335</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martin-Smucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assuming you didn&#039;t just pull random numbers out of your head (maybe I&#039;m being too generous, here) I think you might want to go back and double check them. I highly doubt you saw numbers that combined server and desktop market share, because that would be a completely useless figure. It&#039;s generally accepted that Linux accounts for 50-60% of the server market, so I&#039;m not sure where your 80% of 1.6% number is coming from.


Numbers aside, though, you&#039;re probably right about how much NVIDIA cares about Linus Torvalds and the Linux desktop market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming you didn&#8217;t just pull random numbers out of your head (maybe I&#8217;m being too generous, here) I think you might want to go back and double check them. I highly doubt you saw numbers that combined server and desktop market share, because that would be a completely useless figure. It&#8217;s generally accepted that Linux accounts for 50-60% of the server market, so I&#8217;m not sure where your 80% of 1.6% number is coming from.</p>
<p>Numbers aside, though, you&#8217;re probably right about how much NVIDIA cares about Linus Torvalds and the Linux desktop market.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Reinhold</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217336</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Reinhold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linux is 12.5% of the servers and up to 4.8% of the desktops...and as said below about half of the mobile market.  The big driver for graphics is gaming and hence NVIDIA&#039;s core market. Several articles have come out in recent months showing higher performance of games on Linux based machines. At least four big game developers have taken notice.  They many want to rethink their strategy.  Gamers will be buying AMD to get the best performance on a Linux machine. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux is 12.5% of the servers and up to 4.8% of the desktops&#8230;and as said below about half of the mobile market.  The big driver for graphics is gaming and hence NVIDIA&#8217;s core market. Several articles have come out in recent months showing higher performance of games on Linux based machines. At least four big game developers have taken notice.  They many want to rethink their strategy.  Gamers will be buying AMD to get the best performance on a Linux machine. </p>
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		<title>By: Matti</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217334</link>
		<dc:creator>Matti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In some ways, you are correct in that Android phones are more like LInux based appliances rather than devices with a full GNU/Linux OS.  You could say Android is the Linux kernel plus a few additional libs and a bash shell, with a Java OS running on top of it.

But key here is not about the kernel mode settings, but Nvidia&#039;s general refusal to work with Open Source developers on any front, desktop or otherwise, even if what open source offers them is extended functionality or performance. CUDA is one pickle, but there are others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways, you are correct in that Android phones are more like LInux based appliances rather than devices with a full GNU/Linux OS.  You could say Android is the Linux kernel plus a few additional libs and a bash shell, with a Java OS running on top of it.</p>
<p>But key here is not about the kernel mode settings, but Nvidia&#8217;s general refusal to work with Open Source developers on any front, desktop or otherwise, even if what open source offers them is extended functionality or performance. CUDA is one pickle, but there are others.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Reinhold</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217332</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Reinhold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since games drive graphics and the gaming industry is finally realizing that things run faster under Linux...I wonder how long before they have an attitude adjustment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since games drive graphics and the gaming industry is finally realizing that things run faster under Linux&#8230;I wonder how long before they have an attitude adjustment.</p>
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		<title>By: Matti</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217327</link>
		<dc:creator>Matti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup, correct... though personally I don&#039;t like associating Android with oter Linux based operating systems. Android security is a joke compared to the others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, correct&#8230; though personally I don&#8217;t like associating Android with oter Linux based operating systems. Android security is a joke compared to the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Teche21</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217325</link>
		<dc:creator>Teche21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t Linus Torvalds showing finger for desktop and laptop graphics chip... The film industry market that you are talking about contributes just 0.01% of computer sales. Also film industry is professional market and not consumer as I mentioned before.

Android is based on Linux, but Android&#039;s graphics stack is very different from Linux. Basically, you can say that Android is Google&#039;s own operating system rather than Linux based open source OS.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Linus Torvalds showing finger for desktop and laptop graphics chip&#8230; The film industry market that you are talking about contributes just 0.01% of computer sales. Also film industry is professional market and not consumer as I mentioned before.</p>
<p>Android is based on Linux, but Android&#8217;s graphics stack is very different from Linux. Basically, you can say that Android is Google&#8217;s own operating system rather than Linux based open source OS.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Hart</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217318</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nvidia does supply basic support for Linux. They refuse to supple open source coding to allow Linux drivers to be edited and custom. That&#039;s the nature of having good driver support. Nvidia always supplies solid and stead driver updates. Amd does not and has a lot of problems with their drivers (hows that eyefinity working for half the games out there?) So you have a trade off.

And as I&#039;m am trying this on a tegra 2 device, which apparently runs Linux and an nvidia gpu, I would say they do support Linux devices. They just don&#039;t support open source coding. You know another company that doesn&#039;t support an open software infrastructure? Apple. Why isn&#039;t this guy pissed at them. Nvidia doesn&#039;t owe the Linux community a freely modifiable driver set just because they want to be individuals. They provide a set that lets you run their gpu. That is all you are owed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nvidia does supply basic support for Linux. They refuse to supple open source coding to allow Linux drivers to be edited and custom. That&#8217;s the nature of having good driver support. Nvidia always supplies solid and stead driver updates. Amd does not and has a lot of problems with their drivers (hows that eyefinity working for half the games out there?) So you have a trade off.</p>
<p>And as I&#8217;m am trying this on a tegra 2 device, which apparently runs Linux and an nvidia gpu, I would say they do support Linux devices. They just don&#8217;t support open source coding. You know another company that doesn&#8217;t support an open software infrastructure? Apple. Why isn&#8217;t this guy pissed at them. Nvidia doesn&#8217;t owe the Linux community a freely modifiable driver set just because they want to be individuals. They provide a set that lets you run their gpu. That is all you are owed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Young</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217317</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linux and nVidia, in the words of Rodney King, Can you all just get along?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux and nVidia, in the words of Rodney King, Can you all just get along?</p>
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		<title>By: Eruaran</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217316</link>
		<dc:creator>Eruaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AMD are you listening? Opportunity knocks...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMD are you listening? Opportunity knocks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eruaran</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217315</link>
		<dc:creator>Eruaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only are others correct in pointing out the large market share of the Linux based Android in the mobile market, but there is another market that is even more dominated by Linux based systems also using predominantly Nvidia hardware, and that is the film industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are others correct in pointing out the large market share of the Linux based Android in the mobile market, but there is another market that is even more dominated by Linux based systems also using predominantly Nvidia hardware, and that is the film industry.</p>
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		<title>By: BillalH</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217307</link>
		<dc:creator>BillalH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is right. When it comes to Mobile, android is basically Linux and Nvidia is pushing their closed sourced BS chips to manufacturers . As a G2x owner, I can tell I will never buy a Tegra Device ever again. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is right. When it comes to Mobile, android is basically Linux and Nvidia is pushing their closed sourced BS chips to manufacturers . As a G2x owner, I can tell I will never buy a Tegra Device ever again. </p>
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		<title>By: Benton Virtus</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217305</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton Virtus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The estimates of linux penetration of between 1-2% are from _browser_ user stats. The penetration of Linux in the server market is much, much higher.
But it&#039;s not the comsumer graphics capabilities that the whiners want. It&#039;s full access to GPU computing through NVIDIA&#039;s CUDA model. Makes total sense from a computer nerd&#039;s perspective, but business is business and NVIDIA has correctly judged that they would never recoup their costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The estimates of linux penetration of between 1-2% are from _browser_ user stats. The penetration of Linux in the server market is much, much higher.<br />
But it&#8217;s not the comsumer graphics capabilities that the whiners want. It&#8217;s full access to GPU computing through NVIDIA&#8217;s CUDA model. Makes total sense from a computer nerd&#8217;s perspective, but business is business and NVIDIA has correctly judged that they would never recoup their costs.</p>
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		<title>By: milliamp</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217301</link>
		<dc:creator>milliamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nvidia makes mobile graphics chips too and Linux (via Android) holds a huge  amount (50-60%) of that market share. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nvidia makes mobile graphics chips too and Linux (via Android) holds a huge  amount (50-60%) of that market share. </p>
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		<title>By: bbrid</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217300</link>
		<dc:creator>bbrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[awesome!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome!!</p>
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		<title>By: CyberGusa</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217297</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberGusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean AMD, merger is total now and ATI no longer exists.  Though AMD isn&#039;t so great on Linux drivers either btw...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean AMD, merger is total now and ATI no longer exists.  Though AMD isn&#8217;t so great on Linux drivers either btw&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teche21</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217294</link>
		<dc:creator>Teche21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linux has 1.6% market share and out of that 1.6% about 80% are servers leaving only about 0.25% as consumer desktops and laptops. Why would a big graphics company like NVIDIA invest in development of Linux drivers for their consumer graphics cards? Linus can show fingers as many times as he wants but no one at NVIDIA cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux has 1.6% market share and out of that 1.6% about 80% are servers leaving only about 0.25% as consumer desktops and laptops. Why would a big graphics company like NVIDIA invest in development of Linux drivers for their consumer graphics cards? Linus can show fingers as many times as he wants but no one at NVIDIA cares.</p>
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		<title>By: rtqp</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217293</link>
		<dc:creator>rtqp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think my next card will be from ATI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think my next card will be from ATI.</p>
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		<title>By: Mapekz</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/#comment-217289</link>
		<dc:creator>Mapekz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if it works with embeds (it should though I thought) but if you add #t=49m50s to the end of the video&#039;s URL you can skip ahead directly to the Benevolent Dictator telling NVIDIA off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if it works with embeds (it should though I thought) but if you add #t=49m50s to the end of the video&#8217;s URL you can skip ahead directly to the Benevolent Dictator telling NVIDIA off.</p>
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