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		<title>By: jamesbaker</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lessons-for-android-tablet-vendors-1690138/#comment-64319</link>
		<dc:creator>jamesbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please remember too, it&#039;s not just Canada; iTunes works globally: sure the selection is different from country to country, but it allows Apple to move iPhones and iPads around the world, so other than Amazon, who could step up to the plate and offer a global media center?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please remember too, it&#8217;s not just Canada; iTunes works globally: sure the selection is different from country to country, but it allows Apple to move iPhones and iPads around the world, so other than Amazon, who could step up to the plate and offer a global media center?</p>
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		<title>By: jamesbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We do have amazon.ca, but it doesn&#039;t do audio or video downloads or pay-for-view. Sucks for canucks. No Hulu. No Netflix-esque streamer. Showcase is Flash-based (and lame) But even if these all worked, the beauty of iTunes, as a centralized hub, is that it&#039;s an easy and consistent interface for renting and purchasing digital content. I could describe it over the phone to my mother, who could then use it. An Android tablet that will actually succeed will need something similar, something for all the people who don&#039;t read blogs like this one, but just want some entertainment and don&#039;t even know what DRM stands for, just that they got burned on all that Plays-for-sure stuff that doesn&#039;t play so much anymore....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do have amazon.ca, but it doesn&#8217;t do audio or video downloads or pay-for-view. Sucks for canucks. No Hulu. No Netflix-esque streamer. Showcase is Flash-based (and lame) But even if these all worked, the beauty of iTunes, as a centralized hub, is that it&#8217;s an easy and consistent interface for renting and purchasing digital content. I could describe it over the phone to my mother, who could then use it. An Android tablet that will actually succeed will need something similar, something for all the people who don&#8217;t read blogs like this one, but just want some entertainment and don&#8217;t even know what DRM stands for, just that they got burned on all that Plays-for-sure stuff that doesn&#8217;t play so much anymore&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: UnderDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnderDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What, you don&#039;t have Amazon in Canada? No Netflix analog? How about Showcase.ca? Surely there are others...

I do like the advice of providing users with an online content provider option, I am against having &quot;an iTunes equivalent&quot; as your only choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, you don&#8217;t have Amazon in Canada? No Netflix analog? How about Showcase.ca? Surely there are others&#8230;</p>
<p>I do like the advice of providing users with an online content provider option, I am against having &#8220;an iTunes equivalent&#8221; as your only choice.</p>
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		<title>By: jamesbaker</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lessons-for-android-tablet-vendors-1690138/#comment-64281</link>
		<dc:creator>jamesbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re wrong on #4, and that an iTunes-esque &quot;source of consumable media of audio/video/bookish varieties&quot; is in fact necessary to make the leap to popular consumer product. I&#039;ve had my iPad for three or four weeks now, and my iTunes library is almost empty of music, but full of video, because it&#039;s a great video player. In Canada (and I suspect elsewhere), iTunes is pretty much the only game in town to legally (and more importantly, easily) acquire video, whether it be movies or tv shows, and the fact that I can get music, apps, books, and video all from one account is of value: some people want choice, but lots of people (myself included, and I work with this stuff every day) want ease of use just as much if not more, and are willing to trade some choice to have it. Even Apple can&#039;t get rid of DRM on video, so what options are there now, and what options are there likely to be in the future?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re wrong on #4, and that an iTunes-esque &#8220;source of consumable media of audio/video/bookish varieties&#8221; is in fact necessary to make the leap to popular consumer product. I&#8217;ve had my iPad for three or four weeks now, and my iTunes library is almost empty of music, but full of video, because it&#8217;s a great video player. In Canada (and I suspect elsewhere), iTunes is pretty much the only game in town to legally (and more importantly, easily) acquire video, whether it be movies or tv shows, and the fact that I can get music, apps, books, and video all from one account is of value: some people want choice, but lots of people (myself included, and I work with this stuff every day) want ease of use just as much if not more, and are willing to trade some choice to have it. Even Apple can&#8217;t get rid of DRM on video, so what options are there now, and what options are there likely to be in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: ExpatDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExpatDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is very nice, I will have to keep an eye out on that one.
Particularly as it claims to be able to run Linux.

But it lacks a phone (like the iPad) so it&#039;s not really a direct comparison either.

With the Streak I get all that and a bag of chips so to speak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very nice, I will have to keep an eye out on that one.<br />
Particularly as it claims to be able to run Linux.</p>
<p>But it lacks a phone (like the iPad) so it&#8217;s not really a direct comparison either.</p>
<p>With the Streak I get all that and a bag of chips so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: zen123</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree...you really have to actually see, feel, use the device in real before making any assumptions. I have an Iphone 3GS &amp; its a great device (especially jailbroken). Walked into an O2 shop &amp; had a good 20min play with Dell Streak with no intention of buying &amp; thought that it was kind of cool. Not really as big as I first thought. But that 5&quot; screen was sumptous.

Anyway I left the store went home but just couldn&#039;t get it out of my mind. As I been holding out for upgrade to the new Iphone 4 &amp; was out of contract I went back to the shop &amp; was offered a Dell Streak for £49 on a 12 month Simplicity contract. Offer I couldn&#039;t refuse.

Absolutely brilliant piece of kit &amp; my first Android device. I&#039;ve been using it as my primary phone for past 3 days &amp; its been excellent. Don&#039;t feel at all silly holding it up against my ears for a call. My only complaints thus far is to do with the Google calendar &amp; contacts apps, absolute tosh they are.

So no Iphone 4 for me then &amp; I wear Levis 501 jeans nearly everyday &amp; the Streak fits in the front pockets no problems at all &amp; bcoz its so thin, theres no bulge either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree&#8230;you really have to actually see, feel, use the device in real before making any assumptions. I have an Iphone 3GS &amp; its a great device (especially jailbroken). Walked into an O2 shop &amp; had a good 20min play with Dell Streak with no intention of buying &amp; thought that it was kind of cool. Not really as big as I first thought. But that 5&#8243; screen was sumptous.</p>
<p>Anyway I left the store went home but just couldn&#8217;t get it out of my mind. As I been holding out for upgrade to the new Iphone 4 &amp; was out of contract I went back to the shop &amp; was offered a Dell Streak for £49 on a 12 month Simplicity contract. Offer I couldn&#8217;t refuse.</p>
<p>Absolutely brilliant piece of kit &amp; my first Android device. I&#8217;ve been using it as my primary phone for past 3 days &amp; its been excellent. Don&#8217;t feel at all silly holding it up against my ears for a call. My only complaints thus far is to do with the Google calendar &amp; contacts apps, absolute tosh they are.</p>
<p>So no Iphone 4 for me then &amp; I wear Levis 501 jeans nearly everyday &amp; the Streak fits in the front pockets no problems at all &amp; bcoz its so thin, theres no bulge either.</p>
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		<title>By: Chan Hee Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chan Hee Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The market just can&#039;t compete with iPad yet. It&#039;s proven UI, brand, and finish is unmatched. I&#039;m betting on Notions Adam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market just can&#8217;t compete with iPad yet. It&#8217;s proven UI, brand, and finish is unmatched. I&#8217;m betting on Notions Adam.</p>
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		<title>By: ExpatDude</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/lessons-for-android-tablet-vendors-1690138/#comment-64273</link>
		<dc:creator>ExpatDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see lots of comments slamming this for various reasons from people who have yet to actually see one in the wild.

I guess that makes me the first one to comment that actually has one.

I have had this device for the last 10 days and as far as I am concerned it makes my iPad look huge and home bound. It also makes my iPhone look small and puny in comparison.
I am planning on selling both now that I&#039;ve got something that can the job of both of them and still fit in my front pocket.
Yes, I said front pocket. Jeans, suite or chino&#039;s, it fits in the front pocket. It also fits in my suite jackets inside pocket and is light enough that my suite does not hang funny while it is there.

At first I thought it would be awkward and clownish held to my head as a phone but in use this is not really the case. Don&#039;t get me wrong, it is large, but not so much that most people are really going to notice this as you talk to someone.

Yes, it runs 1.6, that is because 2.1 is only 6 months old and Froyo 2.2 just came out.
It also has been rooted already and there are many people working on custom ROM&#039;s already (including Froyo ports). Dell will be releasing a 2.1 port with their customizations in a couple of months as well. I am in no way worried that I am going to be stuck with an outdated device, far less so than I was with Apple and their history of upgrading desktop OS&#039;s making every app you ever over paid for obsolete in a rolling 2 year cycle.

The screen size is just fine for reading web pages on the road, something the iPhone barely manages. It also handles .docs and PDF&#039;s, I can actually read a PDF as a full width page on the road. Try that with an iPhone. And it is slated for Flash 10 in the update. I know the Apple heads out there don;t care but then I don;t really care what they think either, I like the 60% of the internet that they are missing.

All in all I am very happy that I chose this device and as far as I am concerned Apple and the others have a lot of catching up to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see lots of comments slamming this for various reasons from people who have yet to actually see one in the wild.</p>
<p>I guess that makes me the first one to comment that actually has one.</p>
<p>I have had this device for the last 10 days and as far as I am concerned it makes my iPad look huge and home bound. It also makes my iPhone look small and puny in comparison.<br />
I am planning on selling both now that I&#8217;ve got something that can the job of both of them and still fit in my front pocket.<br />
Yes, I said front pocket. Jeans, suite or chino&#8217;s, it fits in the front pocket. It also fits in my suite jackets inside pocket and is light enough that my suite does not hang funny while it is there.</p>
<p>At first I thought it would be awkward and clownish held to my head as a phone but in use this is not really the case. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, it is large, but not so much that most people are really going to notice this as you talk to someone.</p>
<p>Yes, it runs 1.6, that is because 2.1 is only 6 months old and Froyo 2.2 just came out.<br />
It also has been rooted already and there are many people working on custom ROM&#8217;s already (including Froyo ports). Dell will be releasing a 2.1 port with their customizations in a couple of months as well. I am in no way worried that I am going to be stuck with an outdated device, far less so than I was with Apple and their history of upgrading desktop OS&#8217;s making every app you ever over paid for obsolete in a rolling 2 year cycle.</p>
<p>The screen size is just fine for reading web pages on the road, something the iPhone barely manages. It also handles .docs and PDF&#8217;s, I can actually read a PDF as a full width page on the road. Try that with an iPhone. And it is slated for Flash 10 in the update. I know the Apple heads out there don;t care but then I don;t really care what they think either, I like the 60% of the internet that they are missing.</p>
<p>All in all I am very happy that I chose this device and as far as I am concerned Apple and the others have a lot of catching up to do.</p>
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		<title>By: turn_self_off</title>
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		<dc:creator>turn_self_off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i dont agree with 1 as i have used a near 5 inch device for years now and its perfect for digging out when one have some downtime to catch up on events. Sure, its not jeans pocket friendly, but then thats why cargo pants and jackets exist.

as for 2 and 3, they are linked. remember, its only 8 months since android 1.6 was unveiled, and until 2.1 was unveiled all devices that wanted to be google compatible had to have phone capability. Not compatible, no marketplace. And given the time frame, i suspect most devices we see now where started on around 1.6, with design, prototype testing, bug testing and so on. Streak gets marketplace as its a phone, a large phone, but still a phone. The devices out of china are more PMP with wifi, and so are not google compatible under the 1.6 requirements (what most of them ship).

as for 4, amazon? I dont see a need for itunes pr say, what i see a need for is a agreed on supported format, or even the ability for the customer to pick their format of choice. Have we already forgotten about the online music store that did big, showing that people where willing to pay once they could choose their format and such themselves, only to be shut down by the record companies because it didnt fit with their plans of forcing DRM on everyone? Heck, if your talking about direct download to the device in your hands then with android, anyone can set up such a store. Amazon can have one on your phone from day one. Hey, they could even do like symantec do with windows pc&#039;s and pay the companies making the phones to bundle their store app.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont agree with 1 as i have used a near 5 inch device for years now and its perfect for digging out when one have some downtime to catch up on events. Sure, its not jeans pocket friendly, but then thats why cargo pants and jackets exist.</p>
<p>as for 2 and 3, they are linked. remember, its only 8 months since android 1.6 was unveiled, and until 2.1 was unveiled all devices that wanted to be google compatible had to have phone capability. Not compatible, no marketplace. And given the time frame, i suspect most devices we see now where started on around 1.6, with design, prototype testing, bug testing and so on. Streak gets marketplace as its a phone, a large phone, but still a phone. The devices out of china are more PMP with wifi, and so are not google compatible under the 1.6 requirements (what most of them ship).</p>
<p>as for 4, amazon? I dont see a need for itunes pr say, what i see a need for is a agreed on supported format, or even the ability for the customer to pick their format of choice. Have we already forgotten about the online music store that did big, showing that people where willing to pay once they could choose their format and such themselves, only to be shut down by the record companies because it didnt fit with their plans of forcing DRM on everyone? Heck, if your talking about direct download to the device in your hands then with android, anyone can set up such a store. Amazon can have one on your phone from day one. Hey, they could even do like symantec do with windows pc&#8217;s and pay the companies making the phones to bundle their store app.</p>
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		<title>By: UnderDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnderDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;MoMoMan &lt;a href=&quot;http://discuss.slashgear.com/topic/lessons-for-android-tablet-vendors#post-12700&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
...IMO, the Dell Streak is a failure before it&#8217;s even on the market. Unless it&#8217;s less than $150, why would anyone chose it over the iPad?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t count the Streak out just yet, 5 inch is a tad too big for a phone but I might get one if I like it after I have held it. And, as much as I like paying less, $150 probably doesn&#039;t even pay for the components, I would rather pay more for an unlocked phone than get a $300 one with a $2000 two-year contract.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with the rest of the things you said, we need more ambitions designs of Android tablets than what we are seeing now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><cite>MoMoMan <a href="http://discuss.slashgear.com/topic/lessons-for-android-tablet-vendors#post-12700">said</a>:</cite><br />
&#8230;IMO, the Dell Streak is a failure before it&#8217;s even on the market. Unless it&#8217;s less than $150, why would anyone chose it over the iPad?
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t count the Streak out just yet, 5 inch is a tad too big for a phone but I might get one if I like it after I have held it. And, as much as I like paying less, $150 probably doesn&#8217;t even pay for the components, I would rather pay more for an unlocked phone than get a $300 one with a $2000 two-year contract.</p>
<p>I agree with the rest of the things you said, we need more ambitions designs of Android tablets than what we are seeing now.</p>
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		<title>By: MoMoMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoMoMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree with the screen size comment. It seems all new tablets have the same cheap sub-9&quot; screens, and most seem like they came straight out of engineering, without a designer ever getting involved.

I am not sure how they can compete with the iPad. The Chinese were making cheap tablets long before the iPad, but most were unusable. Now large companies are getting on the bandwagon, but putting out the same cheap-looking garbage.

I&#039;ve been waiting for a well-designed, large screen (11&quot; or so) tablet since before the iPad came. Design, screen and hardware quality are all important.

The UI is important, of course, but I think most of us would be happy with a vanilla Android 2.2. Keep out Sense, Blur, etc..

IMO, the Dell Streak is a failure before it&#039;s even on the market. Unless it&#039;s less than $150, why would anyone chose it over the iPad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with the screen size comment. It seems all new tablets have the same cheap sub-9&#8243; screens, and most seem like they came straight out of engineering, without a designer ever getting involved.</p>
<p>I am not sure how they can compete with the iPad. The Chinese were making cheap tablets long before the iPad, but most were unusable. Now large companies are getting on the bandwagon, but putting out the same cheap-looking garbage.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been waiting for a well-designed, large screen (11&#8243; or so) tablet since before the iPad came. Design, screen and hardware quality are all important.</p>
<p>The UI is important, of course, but I think most of us would be happy with a vanilla Android 2.2. Keep out Sense, Blur, etc..</p>
<p>IMO, the Dell Streak is a failure before it&#8217;s even on the market. Unless it&#8217;s less than $150, why would anyone chose it over the iPad?</p>
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		<title>By: UnderDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnderDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree heartily with points 1-3, but strongly object to point 4. In fact, the dependence on iTunes is one of the major reasons I will not buy anything from Apple.

Instead of a walled space for media and apps, I think we as consumers should seek diversity and the option to connect to more than one application or content vendor, and to use legal apps and media without restrictions based on their origin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree heartily with points 1-3, but strongly object to point 4. In fact, the dependence on iTunes is one of the major reasons I will not buy anything from Apple.</p>
<p>Instead of a walled space for media and apps, I think we as consumers should seek diversity and the option to connect to more than one application or content vendor, and to use legal apps and media without restrictions based on their origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate the great</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate the great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The 5-7″ screen therefore makes the worst form factor devices. A 5-7″ screen makes devices way too big to fit comfortably in most pockets and too large to use as a phone holding it up to the face. &quot;

IMO a 5&quot; device is much closer to being a PDA than a UMPC. Ideally it should be designed so you can comfortably hold it in one hand. The Archos 5IT is a good example (4.8&quot; screen).

And I have a couple 5&quot; devices. All of the fit in my coat or shirt pocket. I wouldn&#039;t put them in my pants pocket though; I&#039;m afraid they brake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The 5-7″ screen therefore makes the worst form factor devices. A 5-7″ screen makes devices way too big to fit comfortably in most pockets and too large to use as a phone holding it up to the face. &#8221;</p>
<p>IMO a 5&#8243; device is much closer to being a PDA than a UMPC. Ideally it should be designed so you can comfortably hold it in one hand. The Archos 5IT is a good example (4.8&#8243; screen).</p>
<p>And I have a couple 5&#8243; devices. All of the fit in my coat or shirt pocket. I wouldn&#8217;t put them in my pants pocket though; I&#8217;m afraid they brake.</p>
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