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	<title>Comments on: Kingston DataTraveler 150 thumb drive has 64GB capacity</title>
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		<title>By: slrman</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-60213</link>
		<dc:creator>slrman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Passive cooling.  Good point, but I think that, except for SDDs, we&#039;re not close to that yet.  More efficient CPUs will be the solution there.  For that matter, even my thumb drives get a little bit warm, but nothing like a hard drive, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Passive cooling.  Good point, but I think that, except for SDDs, we&#8217;re not close to that yet.  More efficient CPUs will be the solution there.  For that matter, even my thumb drives get a little bit warm, but nothing like a hard drive, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewdison Then</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewdison Then</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Add passive cooling, there won&#039;t even moving fans inside the system box :)

ahhh dream HTPC!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add passive cooling, there won&#8217;t even moving fans inside the system box :)</p>
<p>ahhh dream HTPC!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: slrman</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-60207</link>
		<dc:creator>slrman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been using thumb drives for years.  I currently have one by Sony (marked Vaio, of course) with 32 GB capacity I bought on ebay for $49.95.  I have never had a thumb drive fail, not once, not ever.  I use the 32 GB drive as a scratch drive for Final Cut Express so it gets quite a bit of use.

The proof that flash memory is the coming thing is the emergence of SDDs.  They are faster, consume less power, and are more reliable than the current crop of hard disk drives.  With the next generation of computers, there will be no moving parts and people will just have to get used to keyboards (the unreliable part of any computer) that are either virtual or touch pad-type devices.  Technology marches on.  We computer geeks should be the first to embrace that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using thumb drives for years.  I currently have one by Sony (marked Vaio, of course) with 32 GB capacity I bought on ebay for $49.95.  I have never had a thumb drive fail, not once, not ever.  I use the 32 GB drive as a scratch drive for Final Cut Express so it gets quite a bit of use.</p>
<p>The proof that flash memory is the coming thing is the emergence of SDDs.  They are faster, consume less power, and are more reliable than the current crop of hard disk drives.  With the next generation of computers, there will be no moving parts and people will just have to get used to keyboards (the unreliable part of any computer) that are either virtual or touch pad-type devices.  Technology marches on.  We computer geeks should be the first to embrace that.</p>
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		<title>By: KS</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-57339</link>
		<dc:creator>KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was in Shanghai and I saw them selling Sony thumb drive 120GB, 320GB and 500GB.
Is it possible and is it genuine?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Shanghai and I saw them selling Sony thumb drive 120GB, 320GB and 500GB.<br />
Is it possible and is it genuine?</p>
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		<title>By: TheBabblingHousewife</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55994</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBabblingHousewife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about just having someone transform your real thumb into a bionic digit and have the flash drive built into that.  Have a flip-top thumbnail.  Just plug yourself into your computer.  And then you wouldn&#039;t have to worry about losing the blasted things, or anyone stealing them.



Sorry to be a smart ass....

I have no need for anything right now over 8-10 GB.  But Bill Gates also once said 64KB of RAM was more than anyone would ever need...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just having someone transform your real thumb into a bionic digit and have the flash drive built into that.  Have a flip-top thumbnail.  Just plug yourself into your computer.  And then you wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about losing the blasted things, or anyone stealing them.</p>
<p>Sorry to be a smart ass&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have no need for anything right now over 8-10 GB.  But Bill Gates also once said 64KB of RAM was more than anyone would ever need&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan G</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55552</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How soon will we see a 1TB thumb drive?  Very soon I reckon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon will we see a 1TB thumb drive?  Very soon I reckon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55341</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ike, quit being so critical. 

As for me, switching between computers so often, I need a form of file transportation. While 64gb is a bit much for my needs, it&#039;s still cool and I&#039;m sure someone can make use of it, though I hope they back it all up very often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ike, quit being so critical. </p>
<p>As for me, switching between computers so often, I need a form of file transportation. While 64gb is a bit much for my needs, it&#8217;s still cool and I&#8217;m sure someone can make use of it, though I hope they back it all up very often.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55308</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can’t leave everything up to the company. I’m pretty sure with just a little bit of thought put into it you could figure out a way to connect the cap to the thumb drive. I can’t be that hard.&quot;

dynojunkee, in your knee-jerk pseudo-libertarian attempt to defend yet another boneheaded decision by yet another american corporation, one probably made by the wrong people for the wrong reasons, you overlook basic market realities.

it&#039;s plainly obvious that anybody who needs a 64GB thumbdrive places such a high priority on their data that the physical shortcomings of this product make it non-starter.  most people who would have considered purchasing this will turn instead to a ruggedized and/or capless product instead.

why not go out and carve our own thumbdrive out of wood, then mail kingston money.  after all, you can&#039;t leave everything to the company, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t leave everything up to the company. I’m pretty sure with just a little bit of thought put into it you could figure out a way to connect the cap to the thumb drive. I can’t be that hard.&#8221;</p>
<p>dynojunkee, in your knee-jerk pseudo-libertarian attempt to defend yet another boneheaded decision by yet another american corporation, one probably made by the wrong people for the wrong reasons, you overlook basic market realities.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s plainly obvious that anybody who needs a 64GB thumbdrive places such a high priority on their data that the physical shortcomings of this product make it non-starter.  most people who would have considered purchasing this will turn instead to a ruggedized and/or capless product instead.</p>
<p>why not go out and carve our own thumbdrive out of wood, then mail kingston money.  after all, you can&#8217;t leave everything to the company, right?</p>
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		<title>By: 7g23</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55304</link>
		<dc:creator>7g23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although the flashdrive of my dreams would have at LEAST 100 Gigs, shock PROOF casing, waterPROOF, easy to carry, a unique way of covering the plug without any loose parts(ditch the cap), and be just as fast as an internal harddrive, preloaded with thousands of tools like converters, portable applications, everything except the things that would make it not a thumbdrive, like the processor and the monitor, all with at least 100 gigs extra. I could go on, but seeing as how its late and im tired if i typed any more i would hate myself for sounding soo pathetic that the only love in my life is an imaginary thumbdrive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the flashdrive of my dreams would have at LEAST 100 Gigs, shock PROOF casing, waterPROOF, easy to carry, a unique way of covering the plug without any loose parts(ditch the cap), and be just as fast as an internal harddrive, preloaded with thousands of tools like converters, portable applications, everything except the things that would make it not a thumbdrive, like the processor and the monitor, all with at least 100 gigs extra. I could go on, but seeing as how its late and im tired if i typed any more i would hate myself for sounding soo pathetic that the only love in my life is an imaginary thumbdrive.</p>
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		<title>By: 7g23</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55303</link>
		<dc:creator>7g23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care what anyone says, 64 Gigabytes in a one inch by have an inch by quarter of an inch space or so is AWSOME!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what anyone says, 64 Gigabytes in a one inch by have an inch by quarter of an inch space or so is AWSOME!</p>
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		<title>By: madhan</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55259</link>
		<dc:creator>madhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got the current price details of Pen Drives from this site..........
its very useful.......
And need further more information about portable HARD DISKS....... 
All other adds also useful one .........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the current price details of Pen Drives from this site&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
its very useful&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
And need further more information about portable HARD DISKS&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
All other adds also useful one &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PaleBlueDot</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55234</link>
		<dc:creator>PaleBlueDot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a thumb drive laying around somewhere that still works after about 6 years, including a trip through the washer AND dryer.  I&#039;d like to see any hard drive ever made do that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a thumb drive laying around somewhere that still works after about 6 years, including a trip through the washer AND dryer.  I&#8217;d like to see any hard drive ever made do that!</p>
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		<title>By: xxshutdownxx</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55138</link>
		<dc:creator>xxshutdownxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont know, i think Flash drives are pretty reliable AS LONG AS YOU KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEM!! Which means safely removing the device each time, annoying but well worth it. Hard drive fail more be cause they are a electronic device with moving parts, flash drives are eletroic with no moving parts, less likely to fail....just my opinion. drop a flash drive, and then drop a hard drive, which one is more likely to still work?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know, i think Flash drives are pretty reliable AS LONG AS YOU KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEM!! Which means safely removing the device each time, annoying but well worth it. Hard drive fail more be cause they are a electronic device with moving parts, flash drives are eletroic with no moving parts, less likely to fail&#8230;.just my opinion. drop a flash drive, and then drop a hard drive, which one is more likely to still work?</p>
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		<title>By: me the omnipotent</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55125</link>
		<dc:creator>me the omnipotent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is flippin impossible. i&#039;m looking forward to 64 GB ipod nanos...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is flippin impossible. i&#8217;m looking forward to 64 GB ipod nanos&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DynoJunkee</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-55037</link>
		<dc:creator>DynoJunkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t leave everything up to the company. I&#039;m pretty sure with just a little bit of thought put into it you could figure out a way to connect the cap to the thumb drive. I can&#039;t be that hard.

We should start giving ourselves a little more credit rather than asking for it. 

Nevertheless, if I had 64gb of data on this thing and I connected it to a different computer than I usual connect it to I&#039;m sure that more than likely it will want to be reformatted. I agree that drives would need a little more software involved with them. Even considering the fact that I could install and run programs off of it. I doubt it&#039;d work efficiently. 

I&#039;d take a lifetime warranty on this thing, that would push the sell over the edge. 
If I&#039;m going to spend over a hundred dollars though, for storage, I&#039;m just going to get an Ipod.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t leave everything up to the company. I&#8217;m pretty sure with just a little bit of thought put into it you could figure out a way to connect the cap to the thumb drive. I can&#8217;t be that hard.</p>
<p>We should start giving ourselves a little more credit rather than asking for it. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, if I had 64gb of data on this thing and I connected it to a different computer than I usual connect it to I&#8217;m sure that more than likely it will want to be reformatted. I agree that drives would need a little more software involved with them. Even considering the fact that I could install and run programs off of it. I doubt it&#8217;d work efficiently. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d take a lifetime warranty on this thing, that would push the sell over the edge.<br />
If I&#8217;m going to spend over a hundred dollars though, for storage, I&#8217;m just going to get an Ipod.</p>
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		<title>By: zero-kill</title>
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		<dc:creator>zero-kill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now if they were to stick a lifetime warranty (i.e. free replacement drive for life) or even the option to upgrade after a period of time, then the investment would be well worth it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if they were to stick a lifetime warranty (i.e. free replacement drive for life) or even the option to upgrade after a period of time, then the investment would be well worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: memories...</title>
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		<dc:creator>memories...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still have an archaic 64 mb usb flash drive.
I think we got it about 8 years ago. maybe a year or two more,trying to remember.

but this is amazing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have an archaic 64 mb usb flash drive.<br />
I think we got it about 8 years ago. maybe a year or two more,trying to remember.</p>
<p>but this is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: erick</title>
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		<dc:creator>erick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love thumbdrive, it is small and giving me the flexibility. I would not trust it though, so there is always backup of the data inside the thumbdrive]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love thumbdrive, it is small and giving me the flexibility. I would not trust it though, so there is always backup of the data inside the thumbdrive</p>
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		<title>By: Cook66</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/kingston-datatraveler-150-thumb-drive-has-64gb-capacity-1923396/#comment-54829</link>
		<dc:creator>Cook66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know about you Daniel, but I have used about 10-15 different thumb-drives the past 4 years and only a few of them are still working. The main reason I change them out is because they start getting seriously unreliable. While my hard drives haven&#039;t been perfect over the years they sure are more reliable than flash storage.

Using flash storage as means of backup isn&#039;t reliable in any way as means of storing files securely, they are great on the fly, but you really shouldn&#039;t rely on them.

 It might not be the actual storage that starts to fails, but there a lot more prone to failure than just the storage bit in these things.

Another issue is with transfer speed, we need something faster when dealing with this amount of data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you Daniel, but I have used about 10-15 different thumb-drives the past 4 years and only a few of them are still working. The main reason I change them out is because they start getting seriously unreliable. While my hard drives haven&#8217;t been perfect over the years they sure are more reliable than flash storage.</p>
<p>Using flash storage as means of backup isn&#8217;t reliable in any way as means of storing files securely, they are great on the fly, but you really shouldn&#8217;t rely on them.</p>
<p> It might not be the actual storage that starts to fails, but there a lot more prone to failure than just the storage bit in these things.</p>
<p>Another issue is with transfer speed, we need something faster when dealing with this amount of data.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what they need to do first is design a better case than that! I&#039;d lose that top in no time and the hole for the tether/keyring/lanyard looks too weak. if i&#039;m going to be hauling around 64gb i&#039;d like it to be secure physically also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what they need to do first is design a better case than that! I&#8217;d lose that top in no time and the hole for the tether/keyring/lanyard looks too weak. if i&#8217;m going to be hauling around 64gb i&#8217;d like it to be secure physically also.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The same way i have trusted a thousand times more riskier 3x 500Gb Raid 0 for my data drive. They been running for 3 years. 

Seriously, If you don&#039;t have faith in flash-based memory storage, you shouldn&#039;t even turn on a computer. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same way i have trusted a thousand times more riskier 3x 500Gb Raid 0 for my data drive. They been running for 3 years. </p>
<p>Seriously, If you don&#8217;t have faith in flash-based memory storage, you shouldn&#8217;t even turn on a computer. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Seriously</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seriously</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously, who wants to try and shit 64 gb of data onto one of these things? Plus these key drives do have a life cycle. I don&#039;t see the point of them going to this size unless they have radically change how they work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, who wants to try and shit 64 gb of data onto one of these things? Plus these key drives do have a life cycle. I don&#8217;t see the point of them going to this size unless they have radically change how they work.</p>
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