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	<title>Comments on: iPhone 5 prepared for Samsung legal war with 434 LTE patents</title>
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		<title>By: Whitney Danielle Pyant</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-238069</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney Danielle Pyant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think they got from qualcomm. I read that Apple brought 400 something LTE patents before iphone 5 launch and rest they brought from someone else]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they got from qualcomm. I read that Apple brought 400 something LTE patents before iphone 5 launch and rest they brought from someone else</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You would be wrong to think that.


It is an international standard, ratified and maintained by the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project) and set forth by the ITU-R (international Telecommunications Union - Radiocommunications Sector).


Samsung has been part of setting that standard, and as such, are bound by FRAND contract agreements. Furthermore, they have voluntarily committed their patent portfolio to those conditions when they as part of their agreement with the standards body, and decided for themselves which patents were claimed to be Standards Essential.


Though there are various implementations, it is, nonetheless, an international industry standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would be wrong to think that.</p>
<p>It is an international standard, ratified and maintained by the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project) and set forth by the ITU-R (international Telecommunications Union &#8211; Radiocommunications Sector).</p>
<p>Samsung has been part of setting that standard, and as such, are bound by FRAND contract agreements. Furthermore, they have voluntarily committed their patent portfolio to those conditions when they as part of their agreement with the standards body, and decided for themselves which patents were claimed to be Standards Essential.</p>
<p>Though there are various implementations, it is, nonetheless, an international industry standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Good ol' JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good ol' JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The iPad isn&#039;t a phone.  It has a mobile radio but doesn&#039;t qualify as a phone, which is what I&#039;m  guessing Samsung has patents for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iPad isn&#8217;t a phone.  It has a mobile radio but doesn&#8217;t qualify as a phone, which is what I&#8217;m  guessing Samsung has patents for.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudy Dajoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudy Dajoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think LTE is a FRAND. It was kind like Dolby Digital or DTS standard. While WAV is subject to FRAND, DD and DTS are not. They are competing proprietary from dolby and DTS. 
Same thing goes for LTE. There are other competing standard for 4G networks such as Mobile Wimax. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think LTE is a FRAND. It was kind like Dolby Digital or DTS standard. While WAV is subject to FRAND, DD and DTS are not. They are competing proprietary from dolby and DTS.<br />
Same thing goes for LTE. There are other competing standard for 4G networks such as Mobile Wimax. </p>
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		<title>By: Rudy Dajoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudy Dajoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They DID ignore Apple&#039;s iPad, didn&#039;t they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They DID ignore Apple&#8217;s iPad, didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudy Dajoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudy Dajoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because they paid samsung. And Samsung has gone as far as dropping Apple&#039;s chipmaker&#039;s license to sue Apple. Never ever complain to God for giving you breath. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they paid samsung. And Samsung has gone as far as dropping Apple&#8217;s chipmaker&#8217;s license to sue Apple. Never ever complain to God for giving you breath. </p>
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		<title>By: Rudy Dajoh</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-237598</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudy Dajoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Samsung has dropped their agreement with qualcomm for this case, so that they can sue Apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samsung has dropped their agreement with qualcomm for this case, so that they can sue Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudy Dajoh</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-237596</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudy Dajoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need to distinguish between essential patents and non essential patents. Samsung holds all essential patents along with other korean firm as part of Mobile Wimax program. The second biggest holder is Qualcomm, and if Qualcomm still needs Samsung&#039;s license for their LTE chip, then Samsung must hold some important LTE patent. Samsung even go as far as dropping Qualcomm&#039;s agreement so that Apple can&#039;t hide under Qualcomm. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to distinguish between essential patents and non essential patents. Samsung holds all essential patents along with other korean firm as part of Mobile Wimax program. The second biggest holder is Qualcomm, and if Qualcomm still needs Samsung&#8217;s license for their LTE chip, then Samsung must hold some important LTE patent. Samsung even go as far as dropping Qualcomm&#8217;s agreement so that Apple can&#8217;t hide under Qualcomm. </p>
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		<title>By: lukebunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukebunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting analogy, but not exactly a right one (as I see it).


Apple isn&#039;t neccersarily gaming the system, but took the time to use it to their advantage. 


The system may be wrong, but Apple isn&#039;t doing anything illegal to get there. 


Samsung COULD HAVE taken advantage of the system in the same way, and taken the time to file their own design patents, but Apple is really still the only company who takes design seriously, as a matter of course.


Most companies (and this is their problem) don&#039;t think very much about design at all until either—hollywood comes a knocking asking for something specific, or Apple moves onto their turf.


Then they are struggling to play catch up, because Apple comes along, injects a level of &quot;design&quot; into the field and patents the heck out of it. They get caught flat-footed because apple takes a lot of time in the R&amp;D stage, keeps it all very quiet, and use that time to get the design stage right, and properly protected before going to market.


Again, Samsung COULD have developed a rectangular touch screen phone and patented it first, but didn&#039;t.


Again, all of the so called copied features in iOS from Android, Google or any of the android makers could have patented these design features, but didn&#039;t leaving Apple free to implement them. If they had the patent&#039;s, they could be suing apple, but they don&#039;t.


It&#039;s more sour grapes that they didn&#039;t take the time to do it first than whining over welfare.


For years, companies like Samsung only really filed patents for things that would eventually be parts of Standards. 


The reason is a standard makes your patent valuable.


I may have the best implementation of something in the world, but if it&#039;s not part of an industry standard, no-one else will be using it.


In their minds, patenting non-standards essential inventions was sort of like finding out that the 10,000 acres of land you just brought is on Mars. They didn&#039;t really take the time to patent any of these.


They patented things which would become part of the standard, made sure they were part of the standards setting bodies, ensured that their patents were essential to the standard, and then watched the money roll in as the standard was adopted by third parties.


Apple realised that in addition to standards essential patents, design could be a &quot;De-Facto&quot; standard, that if they invented (and patented) a design and form factor that people wanted, that the market would demand everything else look like this.


Again, Samsung and others had years of head start in the handset market, and could have done this earlier, but never did.


Now, they are in a hole which they dug for themselves through years of stalled innovation in the mobile handset market. All they have is SEP&#039;s which they have committed to licensing fairly, and are reneging on that promise by using them in litigation.


I&#039;m not saying that design patents are right, by the way, I don&#039;t really think they are. What I am saying is that Samsung had many many years to patent rectangles with rounded corners, but they never did. They could have both used the same system in the same way, but only one party did.


Though the damage caused by design patents can hurt customers, the damage caused by using SEPs in littigation is completely different. They are not comparable.


If Samsung want to countersue Apple&#039;s design claims, it should be based on their own design patent portfolio. Using a completely different kind of patent portfolio to &quot;Get back at&quot; apple, is opening a world of hurt on themselves, and more than that, on customers. 


It&#039;s a set of floodgates we can&#039;t afford to open, unless you want a world where iPhone&#039;s can only call other iPhones, samsung users can only call other samsungs, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting analogy, but not exactly a right one (as I see it).</p>
<p>Apple isn&#8217;t neccersarily gaming the system, but took the time to use it to their advantage. </p>
<p>The system may be wrong, but Apple isn&#8217;t doing anything illegal to get there. </p>
<p>Samsung COULD HAVE taken advantage of the system in the same way, and taken the time to file their own design patents, but Apple is really still the only company who takes design seriously, as a matter of course.</p>
<p>Most companies (and this is their problem) don&#8217;t think very much about design at all until either—hollywood comes a knocking asking for something specific, or Apple moves onto their turf.</p>
<p>Then they are struggling to play catch up, because Apple comes along, injects a level of &#8220;design&#8221; into the field and patents the heck out of it. They get caught flat-footed because apple takes a lot of time in the R&amp;D stage, keeps it all very quiet, and use that time to get the design stage right, and properly protected before going to market.</p>
<p>Again, Samsung COULD have developed a rectangular touch screen phone and patented it first, but didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Again, all of the so called copied features in iOS from Android, Google or any of the android makers could have patented these design features, but didn&#8217;t leaving Apple free to implement them. If they had the patent&#8217;s, they could be suing apple, but they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more sour grapes that they didn&#8217;t take the time to do it first than whining over welfare.</p>
<p>For years, companies like Samsung only really filed patents for things that would eventually be parts of Standards. </p>
<p>The reason is a standard makes your patent valuable.</p>
<p>I may have the best implementation of something in the world, but if it&#8217;s not part of an industry standard, no-one else will be using it.</p>
<p>In their minds, patenting non-standards essential inventions was sort of like finding out that the 10,000 acres of land you just brought is on Mars. They didn&#8217;t really take the time to patent any of these.</p>
<p>They patented things which would become part of the standard, made sure they were part of the standards setting bodies, ensured that their patents were essential to the standard, and then watched the money roll in as the standard was adopted by third parties.</p>
<p>Apple realised that in addition to standards essential patents, design could be a &#8220;De-Facto&#8221; standard, that if they invented (and patented) a design and form factor that people wanted, that the market would demand everything else look like this.</p>
<p>Again, Samsung and others had years of head start in the handset market, and could have done this earlier, but never did.</p>
<p>Now, they are in a hole which they dug for themselves through years of stalled innovation in the mobile handset market. All they have is SEP&#8217;s which they have committed to licensing fairly, and are reneging on that promise by using them in litigation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that design patents are right, by the way, I don&#8217;t really think they are. What I am saying is that Samsung had many many years to patent rectangles with rounded corners, but they never did. They could have both used the same system in the same way, but only one party did.</p>
<p>Though the damage caused by design patents can hurt customers, the damage caused by using SEPs in littigation is completely different. They are not comparable.</p>
<p>If Samsung want to countersue Apple&#8217;s design claims, it should be based on their own design patent portfolio. Using a completely different kind of patent portfolio to &#8220;Get back at&#8221; apple, is opening a world of hurt on themselves, and more than that, on customers. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a set of floodgates we can&#8217;t afford to open, unless you want a world where iPhone&#8217;s can only call other iPhones, samsung users can only call other samsungs, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Good ol' JS</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-236375</link>
		<dc:creator>Good ol' JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You  could very well be correct there.  The way I rationalize this &quot;battle&quot; is that Apple is the upper class family that is somehow getting welfare checks(gaming the system).  Samsung is the middle-upper class family wondering why they&#039;re not getting their welfare check.  Neither deserves it, and all they&#039;re doing is further damaging the infrastructure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You  could very well be correct there.  The way I rationalize this &#8220;battle&#8221; is that Apple is the upper class family that is somehow getting welfare checks(gaming the system).  Samsung is the middle-upper class family wondering why they&#8217;re not getting their welfare check.  Neither deserves it, and all they&#8217;re doing is further damaging the infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree the patent system is largely wrong, and in major need of reform.


However, when it comes to how each is, for want of a better phrase, taking advantage of the current system, Apple seems more in the right, to me. The system is broken for sure, but Apple seems to be using the system properly (or as properly as possible with a fundamentally flawed system)


Apple hasn&#039;t paid Samsung for any FRAND LTE payments because, it would seem, they haven&#039;t yet released any products which infringe upon it. (I haven&#039;t seen all of Samsung&#039;s 4G LTE patents yet, but apparently the iPad didn&#039;t infringe on any, or Apple paid for them, because Samsung haven&#039;t sued yet.)


The issue is that Samsung have publicly committed to using FRAND patents in litigation, rather than saying &quot;We have some patents you need, here are our FRAND licensing terms, if and when you release a device which requires them&quot;.


They have taken a significant part for the FRAND framework (significantly the fair and non-discriminatory parts) and thrown them out the window. They have committed to defaulting to a course of action not permitted by the FRAND agreement Samsung made with the LTE standards body.


It&#039;s worth remembering Apple have nearly half the number of LTE patents as Samsung in their own portfolio, and Samsung have a large number of shipping LTE products, at least some of which inevitably infringe on at least some of the patents.


Apple could have refused to license them to Samsung and pursued this course of action if they wanted, but haven&#039;t.


As I say, say whatever you like about the validity of a lot of their trade dress, design and utility claims, when it comes to standards critical ones, one company is playing by the (perhaps broken) rules in this case, and one isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the patent system is largely wrong, and in major need of reform.</p>
<p>However, when it comes to how each is, for want of a better phrase, taking advantage of the current system, Apple seems more in the right, to me. The system is broken for sure, but Apple seems to be using the system properly (or as properly as possible with a fundamentally flawed system)</p>
<p>Apple hasn&#8217;t paid Samsung for any FRAND LTE payments because, it would seem, they haven&#8217;t yet released any products which infringe upon it. (I haven&#8217;t seen all of Samsung&#8217;s 4G LTE patents yet, but apparently the iPad didn&#8217;t infringe on any, or Apple paid for them, because Samsung haven&#8217;t sued yet.)</p>
<p>The issue is that Samsung have publicly committed to using FRAND patents in litigation, rather than saying &#8220;We have some patents you need, here are our FRAND licensing terms, if and when you release a device which requires them&#8221;.</p>
<p>They have taken a significant part for the FRAND framework (significantly the fair and non-discriminatory parts) and thrown them out the window. They have committed to defaulting to a course of action not permitted by the FRAND agreement Samsung made with the LTE standards body.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering Apple have nearly half the number of LTE patents as Samsung in their own portfolio, and Samsung have a large number of shipping LTE products, at least some of which inevitably infringe on at least some of the patents.</p>
<p>Apple could have refused to license them to Samsung and pursued this course of action if they wanted, but haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As I say, say whatever you like about the validity of a lot of their trade dress, design and utility claims, when it comes to standards critical ones, one company is playing by the (perhaps broken) rules in this case, and one isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Good ol' JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good ol' JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple isn&#039;t paying for FRAND patents..that&#039;s the problem.  So just like on the Apple side they say Samsung isn&#039;t paying for the Apple design patents(which Apple isn&#039;t selling license to), Apple isn&#039;t paying Samsung for use of their FRAND patents.  So what else is there to do but sue?  I&#039;m not defending either here by the way.  I believe they&#039;re both ultimately wrong and that the patent system should be nuked with a 20 mega-ton missile. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple isn&#8217;t paying for FRAND patents..that&#8217;s the problem.  So just like on the Apple side they say Samsung isn&#8217;t paying for the Apple design patents(which Apple isn&#8217;t selling license to), Apple isn&#8217;t paying Samsung for use of their FRAND patents.  So what else is there to do but sue?  I&#8217;m not defending either here by the way.  I believe they&#8217;re both ultimately wrong and that the patent system should be nuked with a 20 mega-ton missile. </p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not exactly the point.


Apple&#039;s patents are utility and design related, Samsung&#039;s are Standards Essential.


Samsung chose to join the standards bodies, and in doing so, committed to FRAND licensing agreements.


They can&#039;t have it both ways. They didn&#039;t have to contribute to the standards if they didn&#039;t want to, but they chose to. They can&#039;t say &quot;We&#039;ve helped create a standard (LTE), but we want to retain the right to decide who can use that standard&quot; because then it stops being a standard. (Could I say standard any more in that sentence?).


Say whatever you want about Apple and their litigiousness, when it comes to Standards Essential Patents (SEPs), they lead the way.


They regularly donate their patents to standards bodies, or commit to royalty free, not just FRAND terms for their SEP&#039;s.


Rockstar Consortium and Apple proper have both committed not to using their Nortel, Freescale and home grown LTE patents for litigation, and committed to FRAND licensing.


Say what you want about Samsung and their current &quot;victimised&quot; role, but when it comes to SEPs they&#039;ve not played fair. 


They joined the standards bodies, while simultaneously hiding and holding back critical patents from them. They committed to FRAND licensing, but are still threatening to sue Apple over FRAND covered patents.


Like it or not, at least when it comes to this particular scuffle, Samsung is the one not playing fair, and Apple is by-the-books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly the point.</p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s patents are utility and design related, Samsung&#8217;s are Standards Essential.</p>
<p>Samsung chose to join the standards bodies, and in doing so, committed to FRAND licensing agreements.</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t have it both ways. They didn&#8217;t have to contribute to the standards if they didn&#8217;t want to, but they chose to. They can&#8217;t say &#8220;We&#8217;ve helped create a standard (LTE), but we want to retain the right to decide who can use that standard&#8221; because then it stops being a standard. (Could I say standard any more in that sentence?).</p>
<p>Say whatever you want about Apple and their litigiousness, when it comes to Standards Essential Patents (SEPs), they lead the way.</p>
<p>They regularly donate their patents to standards bodies, or commit to royalty free, not just FRAND terms for their SEP&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Rockstar Consortium and Apple proper have both committed not to using their Nortel, Freescale and home grown LTE patents for litigation, and committed to FRAND licensing.</p>
<p>Say what you want about Samsung and their current &#8220;victimised&#8221; role, but when it comes to SEPs they&#8217;ve not played fair. </p>
<p>They joined the standards bodies, while simultaneously hiding and holding back critical patents from them. They committed to FRAND licensing, but are still threatening to sue Apple over FRAND covered patents.</p>
<p>Like it or not, at least when it comes to this particular scuffle, Samsung is the one not playing fair, and Apple is by-the-books.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Apple are very litigious with their utility and design patents, but not their FRAND Standards essential ones. In many cases, Apple have even given up their standards essential patents to the standards bodies or licensed them royalty free, even though they would be entitled to FRAND licensing fees if they wanted to (HTML5 Canvas and QuickTime Container for MPEG 4/H.264, most recently).


@Teche21 Technically, Motorola is now owned by Google, and Google inherit their dodgy FRAND suits (indeed, many speculate that they brought Motorola, knowing that they could continue those sorts of lawsuits without actually hurting their own brand). 


Also HTC has got increasingly desperate recently in it&#039;s litigation with Apple. As one after another of it&#039;s patent claims have been thrown out, it too has started using FRAND patents against Apple (some of which it seems they don&#039;t really own, and which Apple has already paid the real owners to use).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Apple are very litigious with their utility and design patents, but not their FRAND Standards essential ones. In many cases, Apple have even given up their standards essential patents to the standards bodies or licensed them royalty free, even though they would be entitled to FRAND licensing fees if they wanted to (HTML5 Canvas and QuickTime Container for MPEG 4/H.264, most recently).</p>
<p>@Teche21 Technically, Motorola is now owned by Google, and Google inherit their dodgy FRAND suits (indeed, many speculate that they brought Motorola, knowing that they could continue those sorts of lawsuits without actually hurting their own brand). </p>
<p>Also HTC has got increasingly desperate recently in it&#8217;s litigation with Apple. As one after another of it&#8217;s patent claims have been thrown out, it too has started using FRAND patents against Apple (some of which it seems they don&#8217;t really own, and which Apple has already paid the real owners to use).</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-236332</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Problem.


When you start suing others over Standards essential patents, already committed to Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory (FRAND) licensing terms, you&#039;re opening up a whole world of hurt... on yourself. The EU and US are already investigating Samsung over FRAND discrimination, suing Apple all but guarantees the result of those investigations.


Apple wouldn&#039;t even need to hold a single LTE patent to file a counterclaim against Samsung for FRAND discrimination (though clearly having a substantial patent portfolio yourself helps).


Like it them or not the utility patents (I have no real issue against those) and design patents (which I think need addressing) and trade-dress claims Apple has sued Samsung over do not have to be licensed fairly or non-discriminatively. It is entirely at the discretion of the patent holder what they do with them. Standards essential patents, however, MUST be licensed fairly and non-discriminatively to anyone who wishes to use them, subject, of course, to them paying the appropriate license fee, or negotiating other terms.


Apple&#039;s LTE patent portfolio probably now means that they can negotiate a cross-licensing deal, rather than a fee-based one, but realistically, Samsung are in no position to refuse to license them to Apple, or anyone else.


And let&#039;s not forget, although Apple have been very aggressive with some of their design and utility patents, they have always been more than accommodating with their standards-based ones—many of which have been given up to the standards bodies themselves and are now FREE, not just FRAND.


When it comes to the important stuff (such as the h.264 QuickTime Container patents, or HTML5 Canvas element patents, CUPS, Open CL, etc) Apple have always been more than willing to hand over their patents and code to independent standards bodies to make the world, not just their own software and hardware, better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem.</p>
<p>When you start suing others over Standards essential patents, already committed to Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory (FRAND) licensing terms, you&#8217;re opening up a whole world of hurt&#8230; on yourself. The EU and US are already investigating Samsung over FRAND discrimination, suing Apple all but guarantees the result of those investigations.</p>
<p>Apple wouldn&#8217;t even need to hold a single LTE patent to file a counterclaim against Samsung for FRAND discrimination (though clearly having a substantial patent portfolio yourself helps).</p>
<p>Like it them or not the utility patents (I have no real issue against those) and design patents (which I think need addressing) and trade-dress claims Apple has sued Samsung over do not have to be licensed fairly or non-discriminatively. It is entirely at the discretion of the patent holder what they do with them. Standards essential patents, however, MUST be licensed fairly and non-discriminatively to anyone who wishes to use them, subject, of course, to them paying the appropriate license fee, or negotiating other terms.</p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s LTE patent portfolio probably now means that they can negotiate a cross-licensing deal, rather than a fee-based one, but realistically, Samsung are in no position to refuse to license them to Apple, or anyone else.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget, although Apple have been very aggressive with some of their design and utility patents, they have always been more than accommodating with their standards-based ones—many of which have been given up to the standards bodies themselves and are now FREE, not just FRAND.</p>
<p>When it comes to the important stuff (such as the h.264 QuickTime Container patents, or HTML5 Canvas element patents, CUPS, Open CL, etc) Apple have always been more than willing to hand over their patents and code to independent standards bodies to make the world, not just their own software and hardware, better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-236162</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree they both copy, but I haven&#039;t seen specifically where Apple copied something from Samsung; I have seen Samsung copy Apple, and Apple copy Android, but not Apple copy anything specifically from Samsung.  Now if we see an IPod come out with an S-Pen with the beastly functionality of the note 10.1, then I can say I&#039;ve seen it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree they both copy, but I haven&#8217;t seen specifically where Apple copied something from Samsung; I have seen Samsung copy Apple, and Apple copy Android, but not Apple copy anything specifically from Samsung.  Now if we see an IPod come out with an S-Pen with the beastly functionality of the note 10.1, then I can say I&#8217;ve seen it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleeflyguy43</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235775</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleeflyguy43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LTE?  Really?  Why not sue everyone but RIM?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LTE?  Really?  Why not sue everyone but RIM?</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235491</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go get themvSamsung!!!! Screw Apple although I agree the lawsuit thing is getting old ]]></description>
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		<title>By: milton sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235461</link>
		<dc:creator>milton sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is this crap..... star wars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this crap&#8230;.. star wars.</p>
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		<title>By: joshdjoyce</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235394</link>
		<dc:creator>joshdjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.slashgear.com/?p=245915#comment-235394</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[This game is beginning to get old. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game is beginning to get old. </p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Qureshi</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235385</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammed Qureshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well you do need to read articles from other sources as well...Apple copies and so does Samsung...i have used both and there is nothing original...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you do need to read articles from other sources as well&#8230;Apple copies and so does Samsung&#8230;i have used both and there is nothing original&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235349</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or better still go the other route.. copy or steal it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or better still go the other route.. copy or steal it. </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235339</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how did Apple copy samsung?  I&#039;m just curious because I have not kept up to speed on this, and just about every article in the world is always stating how Samsung copied apple, and not vice a versa]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how did Apple copy samsung?  I&#8217;m just curious because I have not kept up to speed on this, and just about every article in the world is always stating how Samsung copied apple, and not vice a versa</p>
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		<title>By: DarthStrawberry</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235336</link>
		<dc:creator>DarthStrawberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who cares? If you like Apple, buy Apple products, if not then don&#039;t. The same goes for Samsung. Samsung is clearly in the wrong here, for threatening to sue over a device that has yet to be released. If they decide to sue, then good for them. I could not care less who wins. Patents were not created for the sole purpose of restricting consumer choice. But more and more as of late, companies are using patents as shields against their failure to innovate. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares? If you like Apple, buy Apple products, if not then don&#8217;t. The same goes for Samsung. Samsung is clearly in the wrong here, for threatening to sue over a device that has yet to be released. If they decide to sue, then good for them. I could not care less who wins. Patents were not created for the sole purpose of restricting consumer choice. But more and more as of late, companies are using patents as shields against their failure to innovate. </p>
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		<title>By: John doe</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235335</link>
		<dc:creator>John doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How freakin funny would it be if Samsung sued Apple, and won back its $1.5B.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How freakin funny would it be if Samsung sued Apple, and won back its $1.5B.</p>
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		<title>By: Good ol' JS</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235329</link>
		<dc:creator>Good ol' JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree with your downvotes but don&#039;t necessarily agree with what you said. Thus far courts in at least two other countries have ruled either in favor of Samsung (who I believe is more right) or penalized both parties (which I believe to be 100% right). 


Samsung is being treated unjustly in America for whatever reason. Apple says , &quot;but we patented this thing that we copied and then they copied us&quot;. Samsung says, &quot;but we INVENTED this brand new thing and brought it to market and they won&#039;t pay to use a license&quot;. The US court system just sides with apple blindly and ignoring any prior art, the fact that Apple ripped off Samsung and then awards damages to Apple. 


I hope this gets to the supreme court quickly because I would love to see real justice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your downvotes but don&#8217;t necessarily agree with what you said. Thus far courts in at least two other countries have ruled either in favor of Samsung (who I believe is more right) or penalized both parties (which I believe to be 100% right). </p>
<p>Samsung is being treated unjustly in America for whatever reason. Apple says , &#8220;but we patented this thing that we copied and then they copied us&#8221;. Samsung says, &#8220;but we INVENTED this brand new thing and brought it to market and they won&#8217;t pay to use a license&#8221;. The US court system just sides with apple blindly and ignoring any prior art, the fact that Apple ripped off Samsung and then awards damages to Apple. </p>
<p>I hope this gets to the supreme court quickly because I would love to see real justice.</p>
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		<title>By: shmigga</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235325</link>
		<dc:creator>shmigga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully the new iphone 6 is banned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully the new iphone 6 is banned.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnt Duke</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235323</link>
		<dc:creator>Agnt Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple = technohypocrites.]]></description>
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		<title>By: AmiRami</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235315</link>
		<dc:creator>AmiRami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[screw apple. if we didn&#039;t invent it, we&#039;ll just buy whomever did. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>screw apple. if we didn&#8217;t invent it, we&#8217;ll just buy whomever did. </p>
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		<title>By: gprovida</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235314</link>
		<dc:creator>gprovida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Standards Essential Patents, SEPs, have not been an effective litigation tool, especially, in influencing non-SEP patents.  In fact, SAMSUNG and Google/Motorola are under investigation by European competition agency and US Courts have frowned upon SEPs as injunction candidates or extortionary high payments.  Ironically, only Korea [surprise surprise] courts have allowed the use of SEPs for injunctions.  


SAMSUNG is building a huge reputation as not an honest or honorable contributor to Standards groups and as such will probably find itself a standards pariah and involved in serious anti-trust litigation.  Apple and its partners agreed in NORTEL case to not use their LTE standards for injunction and would honor Fair Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory, FRAND, licensing.  Importantly Apple has a history of honoring FRAND e.g., H.264 MPEG.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standards Essential Patents, SEPs, have not been an effective litigation tool, especially, in influencing non-SEP patents.  In fact, SAMSUNG and Google/Motorola are under investigation by European competition agency and US Courts have frowned upon SEPs as injunction candidates or extortionary high payments.  Ironically, only Korea [surprise surprise] courts have allowed the use of SEPs for injunctions.  </p>
<p>SAMSUNG is building a huge reputation as not an honest or honorable contributor to Standards groups and as such will probably find itself a standards pariah and involved in serious anti-trust litigation.  Apple and its partners agreed in NORTEL case to not use their LTE standards for injunction and would honor Fair Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory, FRAND, licensing.  Importantly Apple has a history of honoring FRAND e.g., H.264 MPEG.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235310</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[seriously?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously?  </p>
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		<title>By: Teche21</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235309</link>
		<dc:creator>Teche21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can Samsung sue someone using Patents they have contributed for making a standard under FRAND. Only Samsung and Motorola are doing such nasty things. Microsoft, Google and Apple aren&#039;t doing such things...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can Samsung sue someone using Patents they have contributed for making a standard under FRAND. Only Samsung and Motorola are doing such nasty things. Microsoft, Google and Apple aren&#8217;t doing such things&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: juniorsgv</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235305</link>
		<dc:creator>juniorsgv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this was already addressed. samsung can&#039;t sue since the chipmaker is responsible for the patent which apple paid for. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this was already addressed. samsung can&#8217;t sue since the chipmaker is responsible for the patent which apple paid for. </p>
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		<title>By: Nana</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235303</link>
		<dc:creator>Nana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple will be safe from Samsung&#039;s threat to sue in the UK.. as it has already been established that the ipad did not have LTE capabilities as long as its owner is trying to use it in the UK...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple will be safe from Samsung&#8217;s threat to sue in the UK.. as it has already been established that the ipad did not have LTE capabilities as long as its owner is trying to use it in the UK&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eleeflyguy43</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235298</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleeflyguy43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[samsung is grasping at straws. they did it with iPhone 4s before anything was even announced. next thing you know, they will be suing over Apple&#039;s next phone even before rumors start hitting the street]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>samsung is grasping at straws. they did it with iPhone 4s before anything was even announced. next thing you know, they will be suing over Apple&#8217;s next phone even before rumors start hitting the street</p>
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		<title>By: Good ol' JS</title>
		<link>http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-prepared-for-samsung-legal-war-with-434-lte-patents-04245915/#comment-235293</link>
		<dc:creator>Good ol' JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This craziness needs to stop.  I hope Sammy is only doing this to get back at Apple.  That way they can probably be talked off the ledge here.  I mean don&#039;t make this product or we&#039;ll sue because we have the patents?  Something is seriously wrong.  


If you give two people the same materials and the both come up with variations of the same thing, that just means that one cheated or they were both headed in that direction to begin with.  Eventually these two are going to clash so hard everything is just going to break.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This craziness needs to stop.  I hope Sammy is only doing this to get back at Apple.  That way they can probably be talked off the ledge here.  I mean don&#8217;t make this product or we&#8217;ll sue because we have the patents?  Something is seriously wrong.  </p>
<p>If you give two people the same materials and the both come up with variations of the same thing, that just means that one cheated or they were both headed in that direction to begin with.  Eventually these two are going to clash so hard everything is just going to break.  </p>
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