Comments on: HTC calls out Apple for competing in courts, not on products http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/ Feeding Your Gadget and Tech Obsessions Thu, 17 May 2012 09:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: jemand x http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-135174 jemand x Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:58:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-135174 The
big problem, as i see it, is that Apple, Microsoft and others are
filing patents for the most trivial and obvious technical mods instead
of groundbreaking inventive steps in order to frustrate the
competition. Did you know that Microsoft patented the ‘double-click’? Yes, the double click of your mouse button to trigger a process
distinct from the single click. What a f***ing breakthrough that was!
And it’s all possible because the US can no longer compete in the area
of mass manufacturing of consumer products (now outsourced to their
Asian friends), the flim-flammery of legal argument and the extremely
high costs of litigation. A simple first step solution is to deny
patents to software, then enforce the inventive step requirements of the intellectual property laws that have been roundly ignored.

]]> By: Mjpipdrod Mh http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-123501 Mjpipdrod Mh Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-123501 Why is apple throwing at&t’s inspire 4G into the lawsuit potentially harming apple’s largest supporters ? Does’nt make much since. Does apple suck that much to have to resort to throwing dirt in the eye instead of putting out a phone that is worth customers hard earned money? One that does’nt constantly drop calls! Its no wonder Android is kickin’ their a##!!

]]> By: Mjpipdrod Mh http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-123502 Mjpipdrod Mh Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-123502 Why is apple throwing at&t’s inspire 4G into the lawsuit potentially harming apple’s largest supporters ? Does’nt make much since. Does apple suck that much to have to resort to throwing dirt in the eye instead of putting out a phone that is worth customers hard earned money? One that does’nt constantly drop calls! Its no wonder Android is kickin’ their a##!!

]]> By: Leonard Molina http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-123094 Leonard Molina Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:16:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-123094 I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, LiveCent.com

]]> By: Moiz Saleem Varind http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122916 Moiz Saleem Varind Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:25:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122916  HTC says Apple should Compete | WORLD’S HOT CAKE http://bit.ly/qQlsn9

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122817 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:32:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122817 I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, 
BidsOut. com

I like both phones anyway.

]]> By: Irnest http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122811 Irnest Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:04:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122811 Now I even like Apple less. Ffen bad losers. This mentality of Apple is counter advancement to technology. Grow up Apple

]]> By: RaY http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122761 RaY Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:06:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122761 LG ¬_¬

]]> By: RaY http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122762 RaY Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:06:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122762 LG ¬_¬

]]> By: Dentdavi http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122740 Dentdavi Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:45:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122740 One problem is that patents last too long. Granting 14 years of exclusive rights in our rapidly changing economy no longer makes sense. Innovation will come to a standstill if these laws are enforced. We must also realize that all ideas evolve rather than occur in a vacuum. Every idea comes as a result of past knowledge that makes new ideas possible. Our patent system needs to allow inventors to benefit from their ideas, but not at the expense of ongoing knowledge or freedom for others to create and compete in a free market system.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122734 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:17:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122734 Apple developed Unibody design….seriously??? The technical term is monocoque construction, and it has been used in all sorts of products for the last hundred years.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122735 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:17:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122735 Apple developed Unibody design….seriously??? The technical term is monocoque construction, and it has been used in all sorts of products for the last hundred years.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122736 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:17:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122736 Apple developed Unibody design….seriously??? The technical term is monocoque construction, and it has been used in all sorts of products for the last hundred years.

]]> By: Earl Cameron http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122722 Earl Cameron Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:06:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122722 not even software!

]]> By: Earl Cameron http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122721 Earl Cameron Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:03:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122721 dont bring this shit up…their were other touch screen phones on the market that i am sure ios took ideas from…

]]> By: Earl Cameron http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122720 Earl Cameron Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:01:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122720 there must be a subtle difference in stealing and reimplementing.

]]> By: Walkop http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122712 Walkop Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:15:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122712 Of course, this is all my opinion. And, in addition, how do we know that HTC IS using the same manufacturing processes as Apple? How could you know unless there was a formal investegation? How could HTC steal Apple’s manufacturing process? No, this isn’t about that. This would have to be a corporate espionage case if any of this were true. This seems ato be a power grab more than anything else, in my opinion.

For those saying Apple has a right to protect it’s property; then Henry Ford should have sued every car company into oblivion for using an assembly line, hmm? Many of Apple’s patents are much broader than even that, to the best of my knowledge.

]]> By: Walkop http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122709 Walkop Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:03:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122709 That is still an EXTREMELY broad patent. What, building a frame with 1 peice is illegal now unless you pay Apple? That seems to be a power grab more that an actual valid point. “Sorry, sir, you have to pay us 10,000,000$ by the end of this week because you built a phone with TWO speakers. That’s our patent. You can only build phones with ONE speaker.”. It’s simply ridiculous!

Otherwise, what HTC said IS true! Lately, Apple has been falling behind in the mobile phone business. The iPhone has been losing market share left and right (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20068677-251.html) and feature-wise Android has been accelerating. Apple still does have it’s absolutely masterful techniques of implementation, but that doesn’t seem to be enough lately (and in my opinion, it simply isn’t enough).

Just think about it. How many lawsuits against some of the biggest handset manufacturers has Apple filed in the last 2 MONTHS? I can think of quite a few. It’s a big list. It’s like they’re trying to tear apart the mobile market so they can try to jump back in. It’s disgraceful!

Sure, they have to ‘protect’ their ‘intellectual property’. But this is just getting to be pathetic. What bugs me most is that they might actually win these cases if the courts back them; the founding principles of their case(s) are so terrible, and I’d hate to see HTC lose out here.

]]> By: Raffy Navales http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122707 Raffy Navales Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:58:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122707 “bec apple is afraid to their sales will come down?” sorry for typing wrongly… i mean bec apple is afraid for their sales to go down? ehehehe peace

]]> By: Raffy Navales http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122703 Raffy Navales Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:55:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122703 like the new HTC flyer..new innovation…. new sense… with HTC sense… i don’t get it why apple sue HTC flyer. bec apple is afraid to their sales will come down? they should release iPhone 5 and iPad 3 as soon as possible in order for them to compete in the market… if they can and if iPhone 5 / iPad 3 is just a minor update of the previous models, they cant… that’s all guys…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122683 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:02:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122683 how come the HTC Evo 4G is listed twice?  was the HTC Evo 3D supposed to be in there?

]]> By: Adam Reid http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122666 Adam Reid Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:21:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122666 Protip, the patent system was created to GRANT monopolies.  I know you heard in US History class that monopolies were bad in the 20s, so now when you hear that word your limited purview leads you to this kneejerk reaction that all monopolies are bad, but the patent system was created precisely for this.  Apple innovated in the phone market.  As a reward they were granted a temporary monopoly on their innovation for a limited period.  But for this system, they would have been less likely to innovate and we’d still be stuck with stylii, next page buttons, non-slate devices, and the rest of the crap that defined a “smartphone” pre iPhone.  You don’t get to just say “hey, Apple has a good idea, lets steal it”.  Its not how the market works.  Cry all you want but it doesn’t make you less wrong and it doesn’t make Apple somehow evil.  They innovate, and innovation isn’t typically done by accident.  It is done through years of R&D and billions in R&D costs.  Forgive Apple for not allowing other companies to ape their systems and thereby making the money and labor they spent on R&D become valueless.

]]> By: Adam Reid http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122667 Adam Reid Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:21:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122667 Protip, the patent system was created to GRANT monopolies.  I know you heard in US History class that monopolies were bad in the 20s, so now when you hear that word your limited purview leads you to this kneejerk reaction that all monopolies are bad, but the patent system was created precisely for this.  Apple innovated in the phone market.  As a reward they were granted a temporary monopoly on their innovation for a limited period.  But for this system, they would have been less likely to innovate and we’d still be stuck with stylii, next page buttons, non-slate devices, and the rest of the crap that defined a “smartphone” pre iPhone.  You don’t get to just say “hey, Apple has a good idea, lets steal it”.  Its not how the market works.  Cry all you want but it doesn’t make you less wrong and it doesn’t make Apple somehow evil.  They innovate, and innovation isn’t typically done by accident.  It is done through years of R&D and billions in R&D costs.  Forgive Apple for not allowing other companies to ape their systems and thereby making the money and labor they spent on R&D become valueless.

]]> By: Adam Reid http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122668 Adam Reid Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:21:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122668 Protip, the patent system was created to GRANT monopolies.  I know you heard in US History class that monopolies were bad in the 20s, so now when you hear that word your limited purview leads you to this kneejerk reaction that all monopolies are bad, but the patent system was created precisely for this.  Apple innovated in the phone market.  As a reward they were granted a temporary monopoly on their innovation for a limited period.  But for this system, they would have been less likely to innovate and we’d still be stuck with stylii, next page buttons, non-slate devices, and the rest of the crap that defined a “smartphone” pre iPhone.  You don’t get to just say “hey, Apple has a good idea, lets steal it”.  Its not how the market works.  Cry all you want but it doesn’t make you less wrong and it doesn’t make Apple somehow evil.  They innovate, and innovation isn’t typically done by accident.  It is done through years of R&D and billions in R&D costs.  Forgive Apple for not allowing other companies to ape their systems and thereby making the money and labor they spent on R&D become valueless.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122661 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:55:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122661 Actually none of the above mentioned patents are overly broad. Four out of the five patents describe single type of operation. Do you have any idea what these patents are for, just go and read them Slashgear has even added links to the patents.Why HTC is talking about competing in court rather than market place is because they just copied and wouldn’t be able to stand in the court and say that they invented. The worst part is HTC is not just copying software IP, they have started copying manufacturing process also for companies like Apple and Sony. And that’s why Apple is becoming this aggressive. Like the Aluminum Unibody design that Apple developed in 2006 and HTC simply copied it. HTC is even calling is Unibody design. Development of manufacturing process can cost millions of dollars, but copying can be done very cheaply. For example, the development of Unibody design and manufacturing process costed Apple over $250 million and HTC can copy it for $1 million.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122656 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:36:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122656 No Apple had the first portable touchscreen device in Newton way back in 1990, in fact Palm was built with help of some of the ex-Apple employees who worked on Newton.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122654 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:33:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122654 Have you seen the beta demo of Android in 2006. Its UI was just like BlackBerry and every demo unit that Google showed before 2007 had a keyboard there was no talk about touch. After iPhone was launched in 2007 that completely changed suddenly the UI was all about touch, in fact Google had to delay Android launch by almost one and half year just to copy the touch UI. 

]]> By: John Nicholas http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122636 John Nicholas Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:58:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122636 This isn’t about theft .. its about the limits of reasonableness. Patents that have been granted often merley describe the problem in detail not a particularly innovative solution to it. EG a scroll bar is needed in a situation where you have content larger than the window, THe scrollbar simply is an analytical truth of the problem and is NOT an innovation. It would be like patenting the 3 button mouse … oh hang on that happened. It is not in anyones advantage. 

All your post really says is big corporations want to make money and we should  legislate at all cost to allow this.

Its like the patent on multitouch technology … they dont own that … but some douche bag allowed a patent on using multiple fingers to zoom … again an analytic truth of zooming is that you have to express a vector and so multi touch zoom is not an innovation. If they had written some cool algorithm to implement it then THAT should be patented.

you do realise that the software you are using is layer upon layer upon layer of other peoples work. If everyone started to act like apple EVERYONE would be suing and the industry would be unable to make anything at all. I think you are bringing assumptions from a different problem domain into this conversation.

]]> By: John Nicholas http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122637 John Nicholas Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:58:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122637 This isn’t about theft .. its about the limits of reasonableness. Patents that have been granted often merley describe the problem in detail not a particularly innovative solution to it. EG a scroll bar is needed in a situation where you have content larger than the window, THe scrollbar simply is an analytical truth of the problem and is NOT an innovation. It would be like patenting the 3 button mouse … oh hang on that happened. It is not in anyones advantage. 

All your post really says is big corporations want to make money and we should  legislate at all cost to allow this.

Its like the patent on multitouch technology … they dont own that … but some douche bag allowed a patent on using multiple fingers to zoom … again an analytic truth of zooming is that you have to express a vector and so multi touch zoom is not an innovation. If they had written some cool algorithm to implement it then THAT should be patented.

you do realise that the software you are using is layer upon layer upon layer of other peoples work. If everyone started to act like apple EVERYONE would be suing and the industry would be unable to make anything at all. I think you are bringing assumptions from a different problem domain into this conversation.

]]> By: John Nicholas http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122630 John Nicholas Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:54:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122630 But samsung the other big company apple is currently suing is Korean.

]]> By: chris moore http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122628 chris moore Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:40:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122628 this is possibly the dumbest reply on this post, apple is most guilty of “stealing” IP than any other company mentioned here, they’ve lost a handful of these cases already, you’re way off base here.  apple is also suing getjar for the use of the term ‘app store’ which isn’t even trademarked by apple because it was denied.  

you can’t just agree that apple should be able to sue whoever they want because someone made something that looked similar, that’s what apple has been doing since day 1.  just because they were the first ones who got big with an idea doesn’t mean they invented it.  don’t spout your corporate nonsense around at anyone here, nobody cares, this behavior isn’t good for consumers, and apple doesn’t have legal rights to sue anyone trying to use a touchscreen phone.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122622 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:14:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122622 They should just shut down supply.

]]> By: Robert Norris Hills http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122618 Robert Norris Hills Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:54:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122618 Your shitting me. Half the stuff apple claims patients on were made by other companies first and stolen and patented by apple. Apple then goes and copies all the UI elements and stuff out of android…..and then sues android developers. 

IOS5 is like a giant reskinned android UI over the top of IOS4. 

The bottom line is apple patients the most ridiculous shit in the hopes that some day someone will actually make it work….so apple can then sue them. 

They cant compete with android in the marketplace so they just buy patient portfolio’s and sues the crap out of the people that produce the handset. 

Its like winning a soccer game by busting the kneecaps of the other teams players. You didn’t win fairly. 

]]> By: Robert Norris Hills http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122619 Robert Norris Hills Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:54:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122619 Your shitting me. Half the stuff apple claims patients on were made by other companies first and stolen and patented by apple. Apple then goes and copies all the UI elements and stuff out of android…..and then sues android developers. 

IOS5 is like a giant reskinned android UI over the top of IOS4. 

The bottom line is apple patients the most ridiculous shit in the hopes that some day someone will actually make it work….so apple can then sue them. 

They cant compete with android in the marketplace so they just buy patient portfolio’s and sues the crap out of the people that produce the handset. 

Its like winning a soccer game by busting the kneecaps of the other teams players. You didn’t win fairly. 

]]> By: Voice of Reason http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122617 Voice of Reason Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:42:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122617 “Portable computer” patent?  Are they @#$%ing serious???  The USPTO needs to stop granting overly broad patents that will stifle innovation and lead to a monopoly.  All of these sorts of patents need to be revoked ASAP.

]]> By: deerr http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122612 deerr Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:32:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122612 and in all honesty, Apple hasn’t proven HTC has infringed on their IP, so you can’t claim “stolen by a new comer…” Plus some of Apple’s patents can be so broadly interpreted to infringe on just about anything.

]]> By: deerr http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122613 deerr Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:32:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122613 and in all honesty, Apple hasn’t proven HTC has infringed on their IP, so you can’t claim “stolen by a new comer…” Plus some of Apple’s patents can be so broadly interpreted to infringe on just about anything.

]]> By: derrr http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122608 derrr Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:30:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122608 HTC is a Taiwanese company

]]> By: derrr http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122609 derrr Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:30:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122609 HTC is a Taiwanese company

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.slashgear.com/htc-calls-out-apple-for-competing-in-courts-not-on-products-12164423/#comment-122605 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:19:00 +0000 http://www.slashgear.com/?p=164423#comment-122605 when they feel it’s a threat in the market place…then they’ll bully it in court room….coward….

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