Comments on: Google facing increased patent misuse attention after Motorola approval

By: milton sanchez

milton sanchez — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:17:00 +0000

Folks, the EC
and US Justice Department are being run by the very same companies they are suppose to regulate. It’s all about who’s give them the most green and I small a rotten apple.

By: thereasoner

thereasoner — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:18:00 +0000

Then you must be new. The first battle Apple had with Samsung in the Danish courts ended up with Apple losing 9 of 10 (90%) of their so called patent claims with regard to ” look and feel” things like ” rounded corners “among others. The one patent left standing was a frivourless thing that was fixed with an OTA update. Yes HTC had great sucsses defending themselves against Apple but Samsung before that was even more so. Yes the patents that Apple failed to uphold are now useless and by default they certanly can be considered invalid.I and everyone eles know about the more recent claims from Apple and the fact the the battles continue on other fronts such as ‘core features’ but that has nothing to do with the patents i refered to in my post and as you said,those more recent ones have yet to be resolved. The only places your seeing injuntions is in Germany and Australia where their court system is set up for injuntion first court case later. If the party suing is willing to pay the costs should they lose then they get the injuntion, the party beind sued is not even informed of the injuntion until after it’s been granted. In other words you can get one of these things easy but at least Australia had Apple list the ways the competition should build their tablets so they don’t step on Apple’s silly look and feel ‘IP’ and what Apple demands is nothing short of comical : it can not have rounded corners, a flat surface, can not be the shape of a rectangle, no black bezel or no bezel at all, the screen can not appear dark when turned off, it should have raised edges and should look cluttered in it’s appearence.This is just the look and feel stuff and is just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the kind of restrictions Apple wants placed on the competition. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Apple is trying to get a monopoly by insuring that the competition would not be able to make a product that could realistically compete. I believe there lawyers know that it’s a monopoly that they never had a chance at getting in the first place but their marketing department could see the value in the headlines they could generate with these phoney lawsuits. Bad mouthing the competition in the press and control of the consumers mindshare is the real goal they have here and the best part is that they can go ahead and lose the vast majority of their claims and stiil they will have accomplished their conjob. You just can’t buy advertisments like that and for Apple this sham has been worth every penny spent.
I do not ‘hate’ Apple, it’s their tactics that i despise. I think they make a great product and to be fair i think some of their newer claims do have merrit just like other companies have had legitimate beefs with Apple stepping on their IP. While i do think Samsung has done enough to differentiate they certanly could have done more, expescially with the touchwiz UI and some icon designs.

By: nanoco

nanoco — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:41:00 +0000

I believe you are exaggerating and dishing out a lot false information. Please list the 90% of patents that have been invalidated. For example, the ITC ruled that HTC did violate one patent, but didn’t infringe on several others. The ITC did not invalidate any of these patents. A Danish judge ruled that the slide to unlock patent was likely invalid, but the case is on going. On the other hand, Samsung had to remove the copied bounce scroll feature to avoid an injunction. What else do you have? Most cases now are about getting injunctions, and there has been no final determinations on patent validity. We will need to wait on those. I don’t believe any Apple versus Android patent cases based on core features have been tried yet. Also, if these “touchy feely type patents” are so trivial, why do the other guys copy them instead of implement an alternative? Do you people hate Apple so much that you can’t give them the chance to be proven wrong legitimately in the courts? It is funny how you use words like smear, unethical, shameless, disrespect and arrogance when you post misinformation meant to convince people of something as truth when in fact nothing has been decided as of yet.

By: thereasoner

thereasoner — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:13:00 +0000

If i understand him correctly and i’m sure i do what he’s getting at is simple. Apple has brazenly exploited a broken patent system in order to obtain patents they must have known would be absolutely useless once challenged in court and sure enough 90% of these touchy feely type patents have indeed been invalidated by judges world wide. While the patent system is suppposed to be there to protect legitimate IP Apple instead used this system for a giant marketing campain disguised as lawsuits. Shamelessly using the press these lawsuits attracted to unfairly smear the competition and as a result, control the mindset of the consumer.Trying to use these patents in court not only displayed this companys incredible arrogance it also shows the high level of Apples disrespect for the true intent of the patent system and their total disregard for the court systems ment to uphold it. When all the dust settles i sincerely hope that all the manufacturers affected by these unethical tatics get together and bitchslap this company with a lawsuit in regards to their anti-competitive ways and in the process put a stop to this kind of posturing for good !!

By: charlitos

charlitos — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:40:00 +0000

Google already had the attention of the EC for monopolistic practices and it is in a lot of hot water right now due to potentially biased search results. They really don’t want to make the matter worse than it already is. What Motorola and Samsung have been doing with their FRAND patents is not admisable by any extent of the word.

You can argue all day about Apple agressively suing these two over what they consider it is unique to their products. What you can’t do is to justify Samsung’s and Motorola’s conduct because Apple ‘sued then first’. Apple has all the rights in this world to protect what’s theirs. Motorola and Samsung have not such right the moment they started pocketing royalty fees, there is a reason why FRAND patents can’t be abused in such a way and their behaviors is definitely detrimental to the industry.

By: charlitos

charlitos — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:40:00 +0000

By: Bombones

Bombones — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:35:00 +0000

I stand corrected about your post,absolutely without reservation. Unlike you know who & Cupertino minions, who will never admit a mistake. Hence, two snaps and a circle for ya.

By: Bombones

Bombones — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:35:00 +0000

I stand corrected about your post,absolutely without reservation. Unlike you know who & Cupertino minions, who will never admit a mistake. Hence, two snaps and a circle for ya.

By: charlitos

charlitos — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:32:00 +0000

Oh wow, way to take things out of proportions.

By: charlitos

charlitos — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:32:00 +0000

Oh wow, way to take things out of proportions.

By: nanoco

nanoco — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:20:00 +0000

Why am I troll for disagreeing with someone whose statement seems illogical? Everyone may have their own opinion, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be challenge. Go ahead challenge me! I hope to learn by discussion and be enlightened when my thinking is wrong. It just doesn’t make sense to me for Apple to have patents, but then be chastised for defending them.
I am willing to leave it the courts, but why do so many people here hate Apple for trying to have their day in court?

By: Dummymail1111

Dummymail1111 — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:57:00 +0000

Everyone is entitled to their oppinion, so how about you leave the argument to the courts and stop trolling.

By: Phrish

Phrish — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:55:00 +0000

LOL I think you got my verbal irony…

By: nanoco

nanoco — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:07:00 +0000

Did you read my post? I am open to Apple losing its suits. I am saying Apple has the right to try to defend patents that were granted to them. Why are you complaining because I am calling you out for labeling Apple as a patent troll, when you give no evidence of it? Explain yourself here and your definition of Apple’s distortion field with respect to their legal defense of IP as compared to any other company. Why should Apple sit back and let their competitors do whatever they like? In my mind, a patent troll is a company that sues to make an easy profit off others’ products without having a infringed product. On the other hand, Apple is suing to protect its share of revenue from the potentially illegal copying of their bread and butter tangible devices. I am sorry, but based on your exaggerations and distortions, I don’t see you having an open mind here.

By: Bombones

Bombones — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:53:00 +0000

For you guys Steve Jobs or Apple are infallible. For the record, I like Apple products, I was in line mid night at Apple candy colored iMacs launching (yes, I’m that old). Take that word of “Hate” someplace but not me. I refused to be an iSheep & in the company of fanatical Apple Taliban devotees like you. Cheers.

By: nanoco

nanoco — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:34:00 +0000

And what have you drunk? Hate makes you see what you want to see….your own reality distortion field! Everyone should be calm and wait to see what the courts decide. Are Apple’s patents weak or unfounded? I don’t know..but do you really know they are just frivolous for sure, or is it just your gut bias?

By: neon_wombat

neon_wombat — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:30:00 +0000

maybe you ought to reread his post.

By: nanoco

nanoco — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:25:00 +0000

Are you unaware that MS is forcing Android OEMs into licenses because Google’s OS infringes on Microsoft’s IP? Microsoft has chosen to license their IP, that is their prerogative. Apple’s preference is not to license their IP because they want their phone/iOS to be unique. Both approaches are fair. Instead of complaining, the other OEMs/Google can pay MS and use non-infringing features for their products. They can still make good smartphones without cheating. Unfortunately, too many people buy Google’s evil spin.

By: Bombones

Bombones — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:21:00 +0000

Dude, you drank too much of Cupertino Koolaid. The worst patent troll on earth & misuse of patents today,by everyone’s account is, yap! Apple. You must be living under a rock or using Steve Jobs reality distortion field to think that all the frivolous lawsuits by Apple around the globe is nothing but a move to stipple competition.
Now, if Apple wants to go “thermonuclear” as Jobs said; with this EU/US approval of Moto deal, Google is saying: bring it on sucker!.

By: Bombones

Bombones — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:21:00 +0000

By: nanoco

nanoco — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:05:00 +0000

“Patents were created to protect IP”…so how do you expect patents to do this if you can’t sue to block an infringing product before it steals market mindshare? Please explain…I look forward to an entertaining reply!

By: nanoco

nanoco — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:56:00 +0000

Above antiApple posters are dead wrong here. Apple is not suing to stop others from making and selling smartphones like Moto/Google are now trying to do by using essential “standards” patents. Apple is only trying to protect its IP with respect to specific designs and features that distinguish their phone from the wannabes. Apple’s patent suits are not about essential technologies to produce a phone. Dudes, stop using hyperbole/nonsense to spread your Apple hatred. Try arguing facts here.. and don’t try the come back about Apple suing over a rectangle…that also is an exaggeration meant to distort Apple’s complaint about the overall look-a-alike appearance of Samsung’s offerings.

By: Arpadi

Arpadi — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:56:00 +0000

Apple has no problem with alternative products. Apple only wishes to protect their methods.

Apple loves competition; Apple will not allow Microsoft’s Windows 95 (and others) to steal their patents. It is a very simple concept…create your own. Do not steal ours.

By: Jake Waxelbaum

Jake Waxelbaum — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:56:00 +0000

Are you freaking kidding me??? Google under scrutiny for patent misuse when it’s Apple who says “I’m the only one who’s allowed to make anything because I have the patents for that. Nobody else is allowed to compete because I don’t want them to, I have the patents so everybody else is banned.” Apple is the one who needs to be watched and scrutinized for misusing patents to destroy competition. Look at the case of US vs. United Shoe Machinery Corp from the early 20th century…the US government said you can’t wage war on your competitors by using patents as weapons to ban your competition. Apple should pay close attention because if they keep up this stupid patent war of theirs it will be their downfall. Patents were created to protect IP, not to be used as weapons to engage in a sadistic dismantling of the free market system. Apple wants to be the only one to be able to sell technology products and take away everyone who doesn’t want to buy Apple freedom of choice. True Innovation Comes from Market Competition. Apple, you need to learn this message fast and hard otherwise you will be going the way of the dodo very soon…

By: Paul B

Paul B — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:51:00 +0000

Time for some payback to come down on Apple. I have not seen Microsoft battle for IP with Google but Apple is ripe to come down a peg or two.

By: Paul B

Paul B — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:51:00 +0000

Time for some payback to come down on Apple. I have not seen Microsoft battle for IP with Google but Apple is ripe to come down a peg or two.

By: Phrish

Phrish — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:41:00 +0000

Shame on Google and Samsung! Apple has already patented “patent misuse” and has cornered the market on that practice. Apple will seek an injunction to prevent any other company engaging in “patent misuse” saying that it will be detrimental to its own patent misuse technology.