I like to choose my self not have steve as my boss

So when people say that Flash is slow, have they actually tried if *equivalent features* in HTML5 are faster / drain less battery power?

That said, I’m all for dropping Flash for HTML5, but until Flash dies I want to be given a choice to use it. HTML5 isn’t even released yet, so HTML5 features vary from browser to browser, and might work today and be broken tomorrow as the (not yet) standard evolves.

If I had a dollar for each time I needed it, I would already have the money for a Samsung Tab. :-)

I’m actually happing that folks like yourself are intentionally misleading consumers in the direction of these first round of Android tablets; because those consumers foolish enough to buy this crap, and that’s what these come down, will learn he hard way that you get what you pay for.

And this will only bode even better for Apple in the long run. As the real word spreads the word ( not some geeks trying their best to equalize the field) that these tablets suck just like their Android phone counterparts.

Oh, speaking of Blu-ray, have you seen this:

http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-makes-fun-of-apple-for-not-supporting-blu-ray-video-12113884/

Most of you free thinking liberal morons don’t even know the consumer votes with their choice, and so far its looking like Apple 1, you 0

Sorry… u lose.

And if you are right and those iPads are only being bought by Mac fans… well holy f)(#$ing S#$)(* there are a lot of APple fans out there now aren’t they! Must be why Apple stock is going up so quickly eh?

There is nothing worse in life than the Apple hating trolls incapable of thinking different. 99% of them lack any kind of originality. Sheep.

As for me… my CHOICE (since you all seem to get off over that word) is to not visit sites that rely on flash. I have my flash blocker on and refuse to give a second of my time to sloppy web site programmers who haven’t found a better alternative.

So go ahead and CHOOSE flash for your site. I will CHOOSE not to partake in your stupidity and general lack of forward thinking.

There ya have it…. choice is all around us. Oh how wonderful :rolls eyes:

Most of you are just apple haters or flash programmers… everyone else has shown a little brain and abandoned the sinking ship that is flash.

Apple spent $1.1B on R&D in 2009. HP and Google each spent 3X times that ($2.8B), Microsoft spent 8X that ($8.6B). Apple doesn’t try to do everything. It focuses on a few things and tries to do them well.

Cheers.

I find it amusing when folks refer to Apple marketing as ‘brilliant’ – not too long ago (and yes, I am old :-)), folks used to call Apple marketing ‘the worst marketing in Technology’. About the same time when every other day the press would call Apple ‘beleaguered’ and in ‘imminent demise’.

Be patient, times do, and will change. But you already knew that :-)

Secondly, why do you need a phone/pad that can play mp3′s? There are other technologies that can do it better. How about cameraphones? Why have these, other tech exists? I don’t particularly care about flash, but having the choice to use it should be available. I don’t need someone telling me what I want or need to do with my device/browser. It would be equally annoying if android forced users to use flash.

Thankfully, we can choose between products and software. Apple’s strategy of limiting choices to simplify the user’s experience is valid and clearly the right choice for some. But Google’s strategy to allow these choices appeals to a different market, and is clearly supported by others. We all should realize that a product that’s right for one person may not be right for another.

I’m speculating here but perhaps Jobs saw the potential of a web centric tablet/phone/iPod and didn’t like what he saw. Perhaps he saw a race to the bottom where products competed primarily on price rather than a unique experience? How could Apple compete with low margin clones?

By trying to make the iOS the premier coding platform and creating the curated App Store they have telegraphed their strategy. The strategy is app centric. If you as a customer can be persuaded to move your perception away from a web browser centric preference of information consumption and computation, to an app centric preference, then a flash free browser becomes less important (notice I didn’t say not important).

Job’s has said that he is skating to where the puck is going. It would be better stated he is skating to where he wants the puck to go. He also said that he is not so stubborn that he would never include Flash if the market demanded it. Considering how well the iPad has sold to date, it doesn’t sound like the market is demanding flash (yet). Yes, some like those who have posted deem the lack of Flash as a deal breaker, but I am curious, what exactly is the iPad user missing that he can’t access via an app? The only (deal breaking) thing I miss on my iPad is the lack of printing support and access to some of my online banking tools. The former is about to be realized but the latter is a Flash issue which may never be realized unless financial institutions start releasing apps. -which considering the number of iOS users, I imagine that day will happen soon.

As for me, I have become app centric and have found uses for my iOS devices that I never thought possible with a web browser. Cool guitar tuners, network tools, GoSkyWatch, FlipBoard, Ocarina, database apps, etc.

So how about you? Why must your tablet need to have Flash either installed or installable before you would consider using it?

Read some of the reviews of the Tab (and, when they arrive, other Froyo tablets) and you could come away thinking that Flash makes the whole thing run like molasses and generally ruins the experience. There’s no mention of the option to only load it on demand. People can’t make educated choices about the right device for them if they don’t have the right information to base it on.

I’d have the same reaction if I thought the iPad was being misrepresented in some way.

I guess I am a PC (American) through and through….I like choice!

Second, whatever you may say about Jobs, AAPL did seemingly create a REAL market out of almost nothing – first for ‘smart’-phones and now for ‘tablets’. So, before you go off and whine all about AAPL, be thankful that they seem to be innovating enough and creating markets that other companies are jumping into so you can have your ‘choice’ of HTC or Tab or whatever. Its not like AAPL is asking the government to force all the citizens to buy their products or something :-)

Third, all this teeth-gnashing about ‘Flash’ – why do we care? (unless we have Adobe stock!) Why not wait and let the market decide – as it IS deciding by the tremendous growth in Android phones over the past 12 months. The ones suffering big hits are Nokia, Windows Mobile and RIM. Read the Gartner report from a few days ago.

And before you ask, yes, I am an iOS user and a Linux/Ubuntu user and a MacOS user and a Windows user – Peace.

Apple is a small company and have a limited number of engineering teams and this is how they roll. They make tough decisions and are quick to jettison technology that they feel is not long for the earth. They err on the side of cutting things off too early rather than too late, and it makes them unpopular to some constituencies. (I love how someone in this thread accused them of “communism” — does that person even know what communism means?) But the trade-off is, this strategy allows them to keep their focus on what they hope is the next big thing.

In general, based on their fortunes over the last few years, I’d say it seems to be working.

They fact that you are still making the argument that flash is needed tells me it is on its way out the door. You and Android can go down with the ship. I will be happy to take the picture.

In fact, thinking about it, every single time my browser has ever crashed, it has been due to Flash. I can’t think of a single exception.

Give me the choice anyday.