Comments on: Consumer Reports: warm iPad isn’t “cause for concern”

By: daPrinz

daPrinz — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:21:00 +0000

Fact is Apple is shipping a tablet with an marvelous display, Samsung isn’t.

By: n88819

n88819 — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:26:00 +0000

1. Yes, fitting a puzzle together better is the essence of innovation. Innovation = puzzle solving. Mechanical/spacial ≠ technology? really?
2. Thanks for helping me realize what an opinion is.
3. I never said that the rectangular tablet was the whole of Apple’s innovation. Again, straw man fallacy. You should really learn how to not do that. Why would you assume that I think anything? So many fallacies. There’s a good wikipedia article on logical fallacy, check it out.
4. Good advertising = good sales, not a tiny market share. 5. It’s not lazy to refuse to make assumption in the absence of evidence.

Why would you post to help ME out on a public comment board? It’s public. We’re not emailing each other.

By: Joe_DF

Joe_DF — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:34:00 +0000

So far have not found any proof of your pronouncements. Everything I’ve read tells me you’re wrong. So, am I supposed to accept it as fact just because you say so? The world proclaims Apple as innovative, some idiots say otherwise. So what!?! Can’t argue with success!

By: ZeeLobby

ZeeLobby — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:20:00 +0000

Rofl, OK, resort to trolling because you were proven wrong. I like Apple. I have a laptop, iPod and iPhone, but I’m realistic. Sorry you lost this one mate, you can cry about it later. As for me, I hope Apple will release something truly innovative next time so I can buy it :D.

By: Joe_DF

Joe_DF — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:17:00 +0000

Can’t handle Apple’s success, can you? Accept it and move on!

By: ZeeLobby

ZeeLobby — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:16:00 +0000

Alright, I attempted to contest your views, and you’ve simply twisted them. Lets take a look
1. The innovation comes from not having to significantly expand the size of the tablet while increasing resolution and battery life. (So the innovation was fitting a puzzle together better…? I would call that mechanical/spacial innovation, not technological) If you do that in your home electronics, then you must have a pretty large and extensive home manufacturing system. (I was talking of battery replacement, hence the parenthesis pertaining to the single battery point, your bending my words to make me look dumb, that’s naughty).
2. Your opinions and the un-cited opinions of other Apple users are irrelevant. What is relevant is the dates of large scale adoption of specific technologies. Apple is usually first or close to it in this department. (OK, I never argued that, you just said “They are on the bleeding edge in sense of user interface”, which is just according to you. I was trying to help you realize that what you believe is best is personal opinion, not a fact you can use to prove your argument. I was just trying to help by letting you know that others don’t think so… my bad for trying to help)
3. “The technology is pre-existing, but they figure out how to design it in unique and intuitive ways for the user’s convenience.” They put it in a rectangular, flat tablet… How is that intuitive? The first iPad, yes, this one, no. I am assuming that you believe Apples law suits vs Samsung about “rounded edges” and “non-cluttered design” are valid.
4. If they do very well with advertising, why is Apple outselling all of them? You already said in your first post that Apple doesn’t innovate, they just market things. Can’t have it both ways. (You failed your own logic hear, advertising != sales. There are many factors that are taken into account when determining sales, loyal brand followers and simple minded users also contribute to these numbers… As for the both ways statement, huh? They don’t innovate, they market. I said they were good at marketing, so how am I contradicting myself? I simply stated so are Samsung and other companies. Just because the marketing doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean its bad…)
5. I may be blind, you may be blind, again, since neither of us work at Apple, the best answer is “I don’t know.” (Lazy response, I don’t know, you don’t know, we all don’t know, so we can’t think/talk about it… Sometimes you have to use your imagination mate, or in this case, an informed guess based on my work experience, whereas… you haven’t really supported your belief that they didn’t know with…anything.
Maybe if your next post is even longer, readers will spend even more time on it. That makes sense… (These posts are to help you out mate, not for other readers :D)

By: charlitos

charlitos — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:13:00 +0000

U make no sense

By: charlitos

charlitos — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:11:00 +0000

Many others did when they listed the iPhone 4 as ‘not recommended’. Now they list the iPad as the best tablet and it is time to question their reliability uh. Give me a break.

By: n88819

n88819 — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:57:00 +0000

1. The innovation comes from not having to significantly expand the size of the tablet while increasing resolution and battery life. If you do that in your home electronics, then you must have a pretty large and extensive home manufacturing system.

2. Your opinions and the un-cited opinions of other Apple users are irrelevant. What is relevant is the dates of large scale adoption of specific technologies. Apple is usually first or close to it in this department

3. I didn’t say that adding screens to batteries was intuitive. Inferring that I did say that is a classic straw man fallacy. Statement at beginning of post that you will look at my points logically = fail.

4. If they do very well with advertising, why is Apple outselling all of them? You already said in your first post that Apple doesn’t innovate, they just market things. Can’t have it both ways.

5. I may be blind, you may be blind, again, since neither of us work at Apple, the best answer is “I don’t know.”

Maybe if your next post is even longer, readers will spend even more time on it. That makes sense…

By: ZeeLobby

ZeeLobby — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:26:00 +0000

Alright, lets look at your points logically.

1. Resolution (Sharps innovation) + thicker design (thicker than old pad is not innovation) + larger batteries (you can not possibly call this innovative, you just took a smaller battery and replaced it with a bigger one, I do that in my home electronics on a daily basis. So no innovation here.

2. User interface – Eye of the beholder. I think iOS’s user interface is antiquated. Widgets, notifications, customization. These are all innovations. iOS interface is old, many Apple users (myself included) think so.

3. What intuition is used exactly to add a bigger screen and better battery to a device. That’s just logical. Manufacturers have been doing that for years. Suddenly Apple does it, and their marketing states that it is “Magical” and its like consumers have had their eyes opened for the first time. I think the display is genius (Sharps design) and I think the bigger battery (and thickness) are just byproducts of that bigger display. No intuitive design there…

4. Samsung and Motorola actually do very well with advertising. They don’t sugar coat their product’s abilities as “magical” or “revolutionary”. Samsung commercials show what their products do well, large screens for good viewing, 4g LTE, utilization of the Android OS, etc. They also have cute commercials, like the Galaxy Note, elephant commercial. Which is great if you haven’t seen it. Apple is good at advertising as well, more-so because they have to sell already invented technology (Siri) as something new. It takes skill to do this.

5. When they designed this they knew. Your are just blind with this statement, and I don’t know if I can help you. You don’t think they stress tested the chips and batteries before putting it together and measured something as simple as temperature? You don’t think that during design they at some point picked up a prototype, plugged it in, and played with it for more than an hour and NOT somehow notice the heat? They didn’t design overheating, they just had no solution without altering the form factor of the device, so they chose not to. Most likely the heat is within the standards necessary for the device to function, but they haven’ stress tested it over 3/4 years so it is impossible to say whether that heat has a long term impact.

Your right, I have no proof that Apple specifically knew about when/why/how it overheated, but I am involved in product/pc design, and I can tell you that any half-assed organization knows these things, and tests for them. Even a completely ignorant consumer would agree with this. So your either stating that Apple’s design staff are morons, or that they just figured consumers wouldn’t care about the extra heat (and they might not). Take your pick? But it is idiotic to assume they didn’t know…

By: n88819

n88819 — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:03:00 +0000

Do you have any reason or evidence to say that they’re not?

By: n88819

n88819 — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:58:00 +0000

Yeah, because higher resolution + thin design + larger batteries requires no innovation at all. Good job. They are on the bleeding edge in sense of user interface. The technology is pre-existing, but they figure out how to design it in unique and intuitive ways for the user’s convenience. Are you seriously saying that they’re not good at this? Marketing is a factor, yes, and it’s too bad that Samsung/Blackberry/Motorola/HTC are incompetent at advertising.

I didn’t say that overheating was unforeseen at the time they put it on the market, I’m saying it was unforeseen at the design stage. Do you honestly think they designed the overheating intentionally? Also you claim they knew exactly how/why/when… proof? Have you ever heard of evidence or proof? Cite some. Unless you worked on that product, the most intelligent thing you could say about its design process is “I don’t know.”

By: ZeeLobby

ZeeLobby — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:52:00 +0000

So…don’t be blinded by ignorance. Apple’s step in this process “Hey Sharp, build us a screen with awesome resolution”. Sharp developed the screen and the technology behind it. Samsung was the first to build it to Apple’s standards. All Apple did was request that someone build it for them. That isn’t innovation, that’s throwing your money around to get others to innovate… Sharp/Samsung will easily turn around with the tech/manufacturing they actually innovated and put it in their products. Apple just held the cheese.

By: Joe_DF

Joe_DF — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:30:00 +0000

Yes, the innovation was designed by Apple. At first they wanted Sharp to do the manufacturing but they were not able to meet Apple’s quality standards. That is why they had to fall back on Samsung and LG. Don’t be blinded by hatred!

By: ZeeLobby

ZeeLobby — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:21:00 +0000

Yea, the heat is really not an issue, and I am not an iFan as well. Does higher heat mean that there is a greater chance for component failure? Yes, in most cases. We will just have to wait and see what this extra heat means (and how it affects use in the summer, hot tab + 100+ degree day could spell disaster…)

By: ZeeLobby

ZeeLobby — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:19:00 +0000

First, higher resolution != innovation. At least not on Apples part. Samsung/Sharp yes, Apple no. I would hardly call Apple on the bleeding edge either. They just market the shit out of everything they make, which isn’t a bad thing, but its not as if they are pushing the boundaries with any of their devices. They are taking the boundaries others have pushed and polishing it.

Also, to say that this is a “unforeseen” consequence is just silly. They knew they would heat up. You can’t tell me they didn’t stress test the tablets at all….? They knew exactly how/why/when these conditions would occur. Does that mean that its too hot to be a good product? no. Does it mean that there might be failures in components later on in the tablets life? We will have to see…

By: JohnJohnJ

JohnJohnJ — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:07:00 +0000

Author, you consider Consumer Reports to be an authority? On anything?

By: Joe_DF

Joe_DF — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:55:00 +0000

LOL…
April fools was yesterday!

By: Hydrae

Hydrae — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:40:00 +0000

It’s called FUD and it is an old sales tactic. FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, and it is used by competitors to create exactly that in potential buyers of products and services and make those buyers question the suitability of the product or service enough to prevent a purchase.
The best someone can do to not fall victim to FUD is try the product and service and see oneself if the described problem is a bad as it is made out to be. In most instances it is not…

By: Tnoto06

Tnoto06 — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:35:00 +0000

I think all apples are just a bunch of computer parts slapped together. I have an employee of mine whos apt. Caught fire from his I pad. Dont believe me check out apt fires in niwot co in feburary 2012

By: n88819

n88819 — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:15:00 +0000

There’s always an issue with almost every electronic product that anyone puts out. The only way to avoid that is to keep putting out the same product year after year so you get plenty of practice at manufacturing it. That strategy works fine if you’re in the toilet paper business or ball-point pens, markets that haven’t changed in 50 years. Unfortunately, in electronics people expect some innovation. Apple is on the bleeding edge with their products, and there will be some unforeseen consequences.

By: PulSamsara

PulSamsara — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:13:00 +0000

I love the new HotPlate App ! Works great for cooking breakfast on the train – in a pinch.