Comments on: Can Sony ban gamers that hack PS3 without them connecting to PSN?

By: Eg2323

Eg2323 — Thu, 05 May 2011 08:37:00 +0000

geohot i to smart hes anssestor is einstein

By: Jason

Jason — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:46:00 +0000

I Bought my ps3 with good care It Was Almost £500,000 £900 Warranty I Paid And that is the MOST EXPENCIVE THING IVE BOUGHT EVER IN MY LIFE

George Hotz Is More of a money Stelller than a hacker!

By: Samual

Samual — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:42:00 +0000

I Hate George Hotz He Shoulden’t have banned other peoples accounts He ain’t gonna be happy if someone did that to him!

Hes A Big Nuggit!!!!!

By: Thebeaf

Thebeaf — Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:31:00 +0000

It isn’t the keys to Sony’s house. It’s the keys to a house that Sony sold said persons. If said person want’s to coy keys to HIS/HER house then that’s their prerogative, no?

By: lolsurfer

lolsurfer — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:56:00 +0000

All this fight against piracy is becoming stupid.Hackers are since the existence of mankind.In fact the serpent who advise Adan, was a hacker called “serpent” .
Sony are acting like a little whining little girl.If he try a lawsuit against a hacker,then another 2 appear, and so on.They just waste their time.

By: pe

pe — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:46:26 +0000

Actually removing OtherOS did not gain Sony anything in security… The ones that wanted to get access to the system could use stay at a lower firmware go “get in”..

Rumors are that they removed it because they wanted to reduce the costs…

And about a year ago when he “tried”… he actually did managed to get around the memory-controller to read memory that should have been protected so in a way he actually succeeded in hacking it… But more to the point… That hack could probably only lead to some better gfx support in linux or maybe a modchip that would be easy to block… He also released minimal amount of information so nothing was really gained from the community since there was already memory-dumps from previous hacks that allowed access to about the same stuff.

Also it was NOT geohot that hacked the PS3, it was fail0verflow.. geohot only used the information that he got from fail0verflow and published it. Initially the only thing released was not going to allow pirated games but only to allow homebrew (linux/xbmc etc) to be run on the system…

By: pe

pe — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:30:52 +0000

So they could then remove the possibility to play games too if they wanted…

No… A company cannot, legally, remove a feature a device was advertised with via a EULA or otherwise…
PS3 was advertised with PSN + OtherOS.. If they remove either it’s a breach of contract….. We will see what happens with the lawsuit from now on but it will probably takes many years before anything might come from it….

By: pe

pe — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:27:17 +0000

Those EULA’s can be argued alot… But here in Sweden they are still not legal.. All contracts must be agreen on BEFORE the sale, everything after it not valid..

Also, i don’t think those EULA’s has been proven i court in USA either… And if you would break the EULA then what would happen?? You would lose access to PSN or the PS3 also??..

All they can do with the EULA is prevent access to the PSN as was the case before with Microsoft when their xbox was cracked…

By: pe

pe — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:22:08 +0000

Correct, but the thing is that there are more things that play pirated games that are possible…

Just to name a few:
1. Install full games, that you own, to the HD to increase performance and reduce the wear on the EXPENSIVE blueray-laser.
2. Run a Linux system. XBMC and similar will follow shortly. (Even better than OtherOS since we now have full access to the GPU)
3. Run emulators of old games…
4. Make backups of legally purchased PSN games without the need of an external drive.. (since we could be banned or whatever in the future)

Sure these things are not what Sony intended but still, it in my right to do it since i do own the hardware… It could be argued that i dont have permission to make a copy of my game to the harddrive… But has it not already been determined that doing a backup of a disk you own is legal??

> When you give people a source to exploit, they will use it.
So if i sell a car i should be held responsible for the things that the new owner MIGHT do with it?

And about bulldozing abandoned buildings… dont you think that might be because those buildings could be dangerous to the people that might enter them??

By: kayoss

kayoss — Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:22:04 +0000

You have your rights to do whatever you want to do with your system. No one is arguing with that. You own the damn console. However, I think most of these posts are aimed at Hackers who uses these hacks to ruin online gaming and for piracy. If you are a hacker and you just use your “hack” ps3 for homebrew, other OS, and Custom firmware than that is fine. But you’re probably aware by now that 99% of the people who Hack the console use it for piracy and to ruin other peoples fun online.

The only reason why sony remove otherOS is because about a year ago Geohotz mention that he will use Linux to hack the PS3. In response to Geohotz, Sony have to make a decision to remove the OtherOS. I did not understand why GeoHotz tried to hack the PS3 anyways. He said the reason why he hacked the PS3 is to regain OtherOS. This contradict with his actions about a year ago. If he was only interested in OtherOS why did he tried to hack the PS3 a year ago when Sony allowed OtherOS??

By: kayoss

kayoss — Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:14:24 +0000

Im not sure what you meant by, “Change the way I play.” But if any indication so far, all or most Hackers will ruin online gaming for everyone. If that what you meant than you are sexually oppressed, because in order for you to get “wood” you feel the need to hack your system in order to get an advantage in online gaming. But if thats not your intention than please disregard my comment.

By: kayoss

kayoss — Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:10:20 +0000

actually if you’ve updated to the latest firmware than you’ve already signed the contract. When Sony released an update to remove the other OS on the PS3, The EULA stated that by updating to the newest firmware you are agreeing to have OtherOs to be removed. You can simply say No but you wont have PSN access, but if you accept than OtherOS is disable. Try reading the EULA everytime you update.

By: Jonas

Jonas — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:49:42 +0000

You whiners are a bunch of fagggs…
I fuckin’ own the PS3 I bought..
I’ll do what I want with it and if that involves using custom firmware & homebrew to play my old school childhood games, then so be it!
Wanna ban me from the PSN?! Thats fine, I’ll just use another PS3 to get online for PSN games – simple as that SONY… WHICH MEANS YOU GAIN ANOTHER SALE!! IDIOTS…. Microsoft isnt hurting from the xBox 3-shitty being hacked.
Wii sales arent hurting from being hacked.. the PS1 & PS2 sales werent hurt from hacking!! Shhhhiitt… sales probably went up (that is till the PS3)!!
Hackers that ruin online gaming with cheats & “god modes” etc – fine, BAN THE INDIVIDUAL! Socom 2 was hacked LIKE CRAZY!! But SONY wasnt crying for that game or issue now was it?! Anybody remember the credit card disc swap hack on the PS2?? Easily found on google and no problem whatsoever with SONY..
The PS3 was UNTOUCHED for all this time until SONY took Linux abilities away… now, theyre being ANALLLLYY RAPED by these hackers who makes pennies compared to the SONY engineers & software techs who probably have nice diplomas and certificates on their walls. I’m glad this has finally happened. If major companies that pull these damn stunts were reminded by the public that WE OWN THEIR ASSSSES by choosing to buy or not to buy, they wouldnt be trying to pull the rug out from under us and let us do what we want with the product we buy!!

By: LP

LP — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:40:21 +0000

Well, I can see why people wanna do whatever they want with their system, but I also understand that Sony has to do what they are doing right now, because, if this thing continues to grow, and people do what they allready did to mw2 (and they will, can’t imagine what they can do to other games:p) Sony will lose alot of users, because it sucks playing like that( if you don’t want to:p) it ain’t no fun at all being shot across the map, through 100′s of walls, without the player shooting not even looking in your direction, or people flying from rooftop to rooftop and oitside of the map, it kinda ruins the game for people who wants to play the game as it is supposed to be played… Bu we’ll judt have to wait and see what happens:)

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:11:20 +0000

All I know is that hackers have ruined MW2 since this info came out. For that rason alone, I hope that Sony makes a statement with this lawsuit, patches the security breach, and begins to aggressively monitor and ban would be hackers who cause mischief throughout PSN network by not playing fair, and hacking other peoples’ accounts.

By: mholley

mholley — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:44:59 +0000

dude you are a fag man. just because we like to mod our own ps3 that we paid for and own doesnt mean we are sexually oppresed wannabe hackers. cause i know im not a wannabe hacker im just someone that wanted to change the way i play, so next time you think about talking down hackers you need to stfu, go GEOHOT all the way man!!

By: Jack

Jack — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:27:20 +0000

I really hope Sony bans every mofo who hacks their PS3… they’re not real gamers anyway… they’re just sexually oppressed wannabe hackers…

By: Jack

Jack — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:20:56 +0000

if you have a PSN account… yes you have signed it…

By: Jack

Jack — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:18:10 +0000

loser

By: Paul

Paul — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:16:30 +0000

what IS illegal though is what people are going to do with the hacked PS3…

By: nerdy

nerdy — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:11:56 +0000

I am really glad the ps3 is hacked, i was holding off buying the new consoles until one of them got hacked. I was always rooting for the PS3 because it would make a good replacement entertainment system for the original xbox.

It just matters now what the scene can come up with

By: Skybuzzz

Skybuzzz — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:09:20 +0000

yeah, but your ps3 doesn’t belong to sony.

By: swime

swime — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:01:24 +0000

i jailbroke my ps3 already it works and nothing has happened but now i read this and im restoring my ps3 right now to factory settings…..dont want to get banned

By: The Future of Sega

The Future of Sega — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:52:46 +0000

So has anyone tried the Geohot hack code on their PS3′s yet? I’m going to wait until the smoke clears before I give it a shout. Knowing how devious Sony can be they’ve probably infected Geohot’s download code to brick PS3s that use it. GO GEOHOT!!!! LEAD THE WAY MAN!!!!! :-)

By: The Future of Sega

The Future of Sega — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:48:09 +0000

What the f*ck are you talking about!? I support the PS3 hacking dipsh*t. Next time read my f*cking comments before giving a thumbs down stupid @ss.

By: The Future of SEGA

The Future of SEGA — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:46:05 +0000

Screws you noobs that gave me 6 thumbs down! I hope PS3 hackers brick your PS3s with viruses. :-) The Ps3 deserves to be hacked lol. OWNED Sony!

By: Pedro

Pedro — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:13:30 +0000

Sony can but whatever garbage they want in their contract. Their only recourse is to not allow you on PSN and not provide support/warranty.

You aren’t allowed to distribute their code.. but copyright does not cover how you use their code

By: Pedro

Pedro — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:11:40 +0000

No, the console belongs to the consumer… period.

By: k1nk33

k1nk33 — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:17:15 +0000

I’ll sign it if you give me back OtherOS ( because i’m pretty sure i have right’s too).

By: joeW

joeW — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:21:16 +0000

sorry, i don’t remember ever signing that..

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:09:13 +0000

“You may not lease, rent, sublicense, publish, modify, adapt, or translate any portion of the System Software. To the fullest extent permitted by law, you may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the System Software, or create any derivative works, or otherwise attempt to create System Software source code from its object code. You may not (i) use any unauthorized, illegal, counterfeit, or modified hardware or software in connection with the System Software, including use of tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism for the PS3™ system; (ii) violate any laws, regulations or statutes, or rights of SCE, its affiliated companies, or third parties in connection with your access to or use of the System Software, including the access, use, or distribution of any software or hardware that you know or should have known to be infringing or pirated; (iii) use any hardware or software to cause the System Software to accept or use unauthorized, illegal, or pirated software or hardware; (iv) obtain the System Software in any manner other than through SCE’s authorized distribution methods; or (v) exploit the System Software in any manner other than to use it in your PS3™ system in accordance with the accompanying documentation and with authorized software or hardware, including use of the System Software to design, develop, update, or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use in connection with the PS3™ system for any reason. Without limiting the scope of SCE’s remedies, any violation of these restrictions will void the PS3™ system’s warranty and affect your ability to obtain warranty services and repair services from SCE or its affiliated companies.”

By: Rob

Rob — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:50:00 +0000

sure, it maybe your console. But when you play games that aren’t yours on it, it’s not very legal anymore. When you give people a source to exploit, they will use it. It’s the same reason that you are supposed to bulldoze any abandoned buildings lest they become centers for drug deals and other illegal activity.

By: DGoodGuy

DGoodGuy — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:08:34 +0000

Show me proof that all this jailbreak thing would ruined the industry. Stop with all these nonsense n just wait n see. Look at xbox360 for crying outloud! Sony needs to __________!

By: blade

blade — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:08:08 +0000

wow.. people.. some of you obviously have no concept in owning something…. but hey if your ok with sony telling you your only renting thats your choice. i however did not pay $1,000aus to be told its not yours. im seriously thinking of using my xbox for online now sony has become a joke. they need to relise how many users they will lose over banning people and telling were only renting.. there online service comparing it latley with xbox is laughable they have no dedication in online or looking after there users.. its my FN console il do whatever i want!

By: The Future of Sega

The Future of Sega — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:18:23 +0000

Once you give an item away it belongs to the person you have given to. Not once is it mentioned in Sony’s contract that gamers do not completely own their PS3 console. If you married a woman who recently divorced from another guy would her ex-husband have the right to come over to your house, lift her skirt up, and engage in sexual intercourse with her and then leave while you’re still there??

Absolutely NOT! She is YOUR wife and no one can make love to her but YOU…or at least I hope. I would be pretty upset is someone started banging my wife. But hey to each his own.

By: Rob henriksen

Rob henriksen — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:59:25 +0000

But they are not your own house keys are they? They are the property of Sony they are copyrighted, it’s one thing to hack your own machine and have a play, geohot has done himself no favours at all, this costs and ruins the industry, and is wrong.

By: Bork

Bork — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:15:17 +0000

Using your metaphor correctly it is more he is showing people how to make keys to their own houses. Once you bought PS3 it is your to do with as you like. If he published a way to hack it and show people then other people can hack it too. It isn’t illegal to hack your own property yet.

By: Average Juan de la Cruz

Average Juan de la Cruz — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:11:41 +0000

“I’d be angry if somebody made copies of the keys to my house, and started distributing them in the ill-famed quarters of the city, without telling me. Even if I didn’t see him breaking in the house himself, I think I would have all the rights to at least sue him.”

You are wrong with that analogy. Sony has been advanced in protecting its console until now. These “hackers” found a way to circumvent their protection. They should turn around and find a way of re-establishing their Protection Methods by patching and modifying their code.

or they can turn around and hire these “hackers” and solidify their security algorithms and wait till the next “GeoHot” comes along.

I would use a lock analogy. If Yale company advertises they have an unbreakable lock and a lock breaker/picker manages to pick it, It should be Yale’s responsibility to make sure they fix that problem.

By: Average Joe

Average Joe — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:43:43 +0000

“The latest hack of the PS3 came from Geohot and landed him in hot water with Sony suing him for circumventing the security on the console despite the fact that bypassing security doesn’t mean the user is a pirate.”

I don’t know. Bypassing security for yourself is one thing, publicizing secret security keys is another thing.

I’d be angry if somebody made copies of the keys to my house, and started distributing them in the ill-famed quarters of the city, without telling me. Even if I didn’t see him breaking in the house himself, I think I would have all the rights to at least sue him.